Leo wrote:
On 09 Jan 2005 04:51:35 GMT, (Lenof21) wrote:
In article , Leo
writes:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 15:36:59 -0800 (PST), "Phil Kane"
wrote:
On 08 Jan 2005 21:31:53 GMT, N2EY wrote:
Lenof21 wrote:
All licensees are perfectly legal to continue operating in their grace
period.
Nope. Wrong. You are mistaken. Once an amateur's license expires,
he or she *cannot* legally operate until the is renewed.
Unless the renewal has been applied for before expiration. Then,
the license privileges continue until the FCC acts upon the application.
Oh oh. An exception to the rule rears its ugly head.....
How could the J & M tag team possibly miss that one? 
Happy New Year, Leo...
Thanks - you too, Len!
Sure enough, the PCTA extras in here disregard the subject in order
to lambaste (and generally make nasty to) any NCTA about anything.
:-)
Some even enter a batch of posts on a variety of subjects, apparently
hoping to get sonething on the hook.......what's the word for that
again...?
To imagine anyone on Usenet would do that. 8^)
Doesn't matter if the NCTA are right or wrong (deliberately so in the
case suddenly become front-page news of sorts)...all NCTA are
targets of opportunity to be DISCREDITED by any means possible.
The "tag team" seems to think that all hams are always active on-
the-air as good "service personnel" (or something) during their valid
license period. Never mind that there are absences from the "service"
for many different reasons. The "grace period" insures that such
absence will not allow any licensee to lose their (apparently) so precious
tribal identification of a call sign. The call sign is "who we are" to
quote
one licensee in here some years ago. That would be especially true
for the Vanity calls. Licensees POSSESS their calls and those become
very, very personal.
That's true even more so up here in the (currently) frozen North -
licenses and call signs are issued to Canadian hams for life, no
renewal required. The call sign is protected for a year after you SK,
to allow a family member to qualify and acquire it.
That is a good way to do it.
No bureaucracy, no renewals, no paperwork, no grace period required -
unless you break the law and lose it, or move to a new province (the
call sign doesn't follow you around the country like they do in the
States), you'll expire long before it does
And in the end it is just a different system, some parts a lot better,
like lifetime license, and some parts worse, such as the mandatory
callsign by district (though some will prefer that)
In the USA I might even suggest that the FDA (Food and Drug
Administration) step in and help the FCC literally brand the granted
call sign on the physical person of the licensee, perhaps by a tatoo.
That might complete the process of the New Identity within the Tribe.
[why not? the FDA here certifies real hams ... :-) ]
A good application for the microchip, perhaps - technology proven in
the Veterinary world for quite a few years now....?
The "new identity" is important since it bestows a rank/status/privilege
down here in a land without royals, no fancy titles or whatever. For
example, a Rhode Islander could, under older rules, suddenly become
a "resident" of Hawaii without even leaving the mainland. The arranger
of that was able to retitle hisself from junior college math teacher to
"mathematics lecturer in the university system." Neither one "did
anything wrong" according to them. But, a whole bunch of very phony
"radio club" calls got tossed in the dumpster by the FCC not too long
ago. Another fantasylander thought he had much more clout in the real
world than the U.S. aremed forces when he admonished another about
"permission to operate a radio" from Somalia when that individual served
in the military there. Yet another fantasylander keeps on bragging about
his military record ("seven hostile actions" without ever saying where or
when) and then trying to tear down others' real military records. Tsk.
Then we have the classic knowitall who never served at all making like
he knows more than Janes about USSR air power just because a real
veteran slipped up once in a message. There's still another "serviceman"
of the amateur corps who dines with aircraft carrier captains and looks
down his nose at those who've done real military HF communications
much more than he will have done in his lifetime. It's quite a collection!
It sure is.....engineers who have problems with basic math,
thinly-veiled trolls looking to provoke fights.....
Yeah, there are all kinds in here..........
It's a wonderful microcosm in here indeed. Of what, specifically, I'm
not quite sure!
Some people used to call me MicroCosm........ 8^)
Note: All those wonderful braggarts are PCTA extra. They can say
anything, write anything, do anything in here and are absolved from ANY
criticism. Should they be taken to task, the task-taker is soundly
objected to with endearing personal perjoratives having little to do with
the subject.
Ipso facto, with a few exceptions - there are several OMs here who are
quite civil, knowledgeable and conversational, and do not possess the
NetNanny gene.....
It's a plain simple fact that all NCTA in here are always wrong, no matter
what they write on anything. No one who is of the NCTA persuasion
should bother debating the subject in here. The matter is closed and all
NCTA are forever wrong, incorrect, and probably have underarm odor.
.....and skinned knuckles!
Here's a challenge, Leo, if you're up to it.
Name the PCTA's in here (active) that have called NCTA's by such names.
I'll give you a start:
Steve is pretty famous for name calling.
And since this subthread turned into a Mike and Jim "tag-team" thing,
where do our names show up in that list? When have I called anyone a
nasty name? I don't think Jim ever has either.
note: I will admit the one time I called Len "Lennie". No insult was
intended, but he didn't like it, so I stopped.
Note that it isn't always a PCTA / NCTA thing, though - we've seen
recent battles between folks of a similar stripe, simply because they
disagree on some arcane point. These disputes are just as vitriolic,
nasty and profane as any of the 'standard' ones here in the group!
Agreed. So it is more about personalities than PCTA/NCTA/NCTNA in my
estimation.
But, after all, what's more important than Always Being Right About
Everything?
Most of the time, if I think I am wrong about something, I'm not likely
to argue about it. YMMV! 8^)
It is pretty much a voluntary thing to post in this group. I don't know
of anyone that is required by law or employment to be here. If people
are thin skinned, they might want to examine why they hang out in such a
rough neighborhood. Otherwise, make a mistake, note it, and get on with
life.
- Mike KB3EIA -