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			bpnjensen wrote:
 So you murder carrots and potatoes, grains, etc?  To suggest that
 plants are
 somehow "less" than animals is species-ist (racism applied to other
 forms
 of life).  Ever swatted a mosquito, taken an antibiotic or washed your
 hands? I wonder how many life forms die everyday from these activities?
 
 
 Once again, accosted by an apologist for the murder industries who uses
 false logic and ridiculous analogies to uphold both the murderers and
 his own chosen lifestyle.  It is this simple, Arnie:
 
 I do not need meat to thrive.  The killing of anything I do not need to
 survive is unjustified.  Therefore, the killing of animals and eating
 them is unjustified, unless it is in self-defense or a life-or-death
 emergency.
 
 Where the eating of foods is necessary to survive (and to survive I do
 need to eat something), then it is justified.  This why it is OK for
 seals to eat fish.
 
 Maybe the people who choose to live on rocks and bushes made a damn
 poor choice.  In any case, it is not OK to kill a huge proportion of
 the seal population to sell off furs and increase the fisheries, which
 off the east coast have been grossly depleted by rampant fishing.  If
 they need to kill some seals to get through a particularly harsh
 winter, fine - but you won't convince me that  wholesale slaughter is
 justified at all.
 
 Beyond this, it is impossible to have a logical discussion about almost
 anything controversial on this medium with a person who argues using
 illogism, so I won't even try.  Suffice it to say that I choose to take
 the least harmful and least cruel way.  You may choose to take a more
 cruel way; that is still perfectly legal, if morally bankrupt.  If you
 post supporting cruelty, I will point out where I think you're a
 barbarian.  I don't especially care if you like it or not, agree with
 it or not.
 
 The last word is yours.
 
 Bruce Jensen
 
 I respect your response, but it is still ethnocentric.  Will you take people
 into your country as immigrants so they don't have to live this way.  You
 personally do not have to eat meat to survive, but that does not allow you
 or any one else to look down their noses in a "holier than thou" manner on
 others.  What is a "life or death" emergency?  Is it okay for someone to
 hunt so they can provide minimal sustenance to their family?  or should the
 children have no opportunity beyond their parents.  Nfld has exported more
 people than most other jurisdictions b/c their parents did what they had to
 do to survive and provide opportunity to their kids.  And yes this included
 importing moose from the mainland (where they didn't previously live) as a
 food source for the people.  You cannot grow a garden in Nfld.  It's rocks
 and trees and no vegetables grow in the harsh climate.  So everything is
 either imported or local.  And all there is is canned stuff in the stores,
 or very expensive fresh things, and fish and game.  So they hunt some seals
 so they can buy some canned fruit, notebooks for the kids, coats and shoes.
 Gas for the boat. I really think you have no idea.
 
 Would you move the Inuit out of the arctic also?  (Inuit = what you may call
 Eskimo).
 
 I don't think the last word is mine.  You suggest "illogism".  I suggest not
 judging others by your external standards of morality.
 
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