On 21 Aug 2005 20:33:22 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
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wrote:
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More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response,
trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or
worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare.

Nope.

It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't
serve in the Marines


Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt
accusation that you are lying about your military service because you
have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up
your claims.

Then your claim to have the resources you allege is fraudulent.


I see you haven't yet read my other reply.


I've given you (and others here) more than enough to determine
that my "claim" of having served in the United States Marine Corps is
valid.


You have provided nothing to me except vague generalizations. No
verifiable details at all.


because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds"
who are in the Air Wing.

Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did
know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's
throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area).

You said they were in Avionics.


Wrong again:

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On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:21:38 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote in
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On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
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Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit.


Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career.

After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some
details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful
not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. So I emailed
several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None
of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them
remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for
giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you?

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That's three times you have misrepresented my statements. If you are
going to mount a defensive argument then at least stick to the facts.
Otherwise you are just validating everything others here are saying
about you.


So...How many Avionics Technicians do fleet units have, Frank?


Quite a few. Back when I was active, the three batallions of the 8th
regiment were rotated into the 22nd and 24th MAUs. I was deployed with
the 24th MAU on The USS Nassau. This ship is an LHA -- basically it's
a small aircraft carrier with a massive well deck. It can accomodate a
lot of different aircraft including the Cobra, Huey, CH-46, CH-53,
OV-10 and Harrier. Being a Marine in the avionics field you should
have already known this. In fact, if you -were- USMC for 18 years it's
more than likey that you would had served aboard an LHA or a similar
amphibious assault ship. Either way you would have known of both their
existence and their capabilities.

Or was that just a rhetorical question?


He furthermore drops the name of LtCol
Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at
his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve.


I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere.

Excuse me.


Why? I was just responding the same way you respond to other people in
this group. You're the spelling cop, aren't you?


And again, I didn't
"insinuate" that I have any more resources than you -- just that there
are more resources available to -both- of us than you might realize.

It doesn't matter if you happen to be sleeping with a records
clerk at HQMC.

You HAVE alleged to have these resources,


Yet another misrepresentation.


yet obviously haven't
used them.


The DOD records are available at www.military.com. There was indeed a
Steve Robeson, USMC, E-7, and in avionics. But you have yet to prove
that you are him.


Mr Gilliland is challenged to use those resources. Anything less,
assuming his suggestions are factual, is bufoonery.

It appears that, for several years, -you- have been challenged to
support your claims about your military service. That pretty much
makes -you- the bufoon.

Hardly.

I've been asked to provide specifics. I've provided more than
enough.


......uh, where? You have a jillion or so posts on Google. I'm not
going to spend a month reading through all your flame wars just to
find out a couple tidbits that you can simply retype.


I can't (won't) give my service number as it was also my SSN.


Did I ask for it?


So you now have my last grade, my MOS fields, and even the dates of my
two SNCO selection boards. A quick perusal of "Navy Times" archives
with Selection Board result will, at the very least, verify my having
served.

That you care to "diss" the rest is irrelevent.


You're still missing the big picture, Steve. See my other post.


I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet
to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise
in the USMC.

Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic
equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time
was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an
avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by
formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my
work, including field trips to the military installations and
being around servicemen IN radio-electronics.

I am still at a loss as to understand how Avionics nomenclatures
are relevent here...

Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate
familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any-
such familiarity -at all-.

And such familiarity in an Amateur Radio POLICY forum is
neessary...WHY?


For the same reason that declaring your career in the USMC was
neessary [sic]..... it's not. But you made the claim so back it up.


Sounds like Lennie's arguments.


If that was intended to somehow discredit the validity of the
argument, well, it didn't. Facts are facts regardless of the source.


No...YOU implied "greatness". I only acknowledged that I had the
misfortune of being in places where we got shot at.


Philly? Or just a few field ops?

I'll tell you what a "hostile action" is, Steve: First of all, it's in
a place where the Holiday Inn is pocked full of holes ranging in size
from .22 caliber to whatever an RPG can do in concrete.

You don't know what an RPG can do to concrete?


Depends on the concrete. Hit a weak spot and it makes a big ****ing
hole that you can walk through. Hit some of that steel-reinforced
high-grade stuff and it just skins the surface down to the rebar. You
could see both on the South wall.


It's when you
sew a target (the US flag) on your shoulder and stroll through a
country in the midst of a chaotic civil war, occupied by peoples that
are mortal enemies, most of whom hate Americans and have bigger guns
than you.

Thankfully I never had to do that.


That much I figured out already.


It's when you shoot strangers but don't care because your
adrenalin is flowing too heavy to think about your actions. It's when
the air is thick with the smell of gunpowder and rotting flesh.

Sounds very Clancyesque.


No, it's very horrific. And I'm not suprised that you equate war with
popular fiction -- most civilians do.


So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but
-seven- such predicaments?

Because Marines do more than what their MOS suggests.


Ah yes, the scullery! Lot's of action there, but nobody shooting at
you. Maybe working the butts at the rifle range.... now -there's-
something that fits your definition of "hostile action". So you
qualified seven times in 18 years..... that's about right.


In other words, BS.

Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here.


You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse
is moot. Try again.

Nope.

As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough
information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of
intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate.


I have never said, or even suggested, that Ollie has anything to do
with my resources. You are trying to connect the dots into a picture
that doesn't exist.


As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics,
the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and
it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter
how objective or reliable the corroborating source is.


More excuses.


I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me
directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You
didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately.


Let's check to see what the FACTS are, shall we?

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On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 02:20:30 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote in
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On 15 Aug 2005 01:08:51 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
s.com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 14 Aug 2005 15:15:28 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
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an_old_friend wrote:
KY4Z, that great bully and bragard alleegded Marine.....


Really? What units and when?

"Braggard"

"alleged"

Nothing "braggard about being a Marine, Markie.

Frank, E-mail me directly if you care to. I'd be gald to tell you
directly.


Either you were a Marine or you weren't. Why the secrecy? Did you
serve under Colonel Vinson at Ft. Gordon or something?

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Looks to me like I did NOT snip that part of your post; in fact, I
even REPLIED to it. You, however, did -not- reply. Regardless, I will
snip no more messages if that makes you happy. And there's nothing
that prevented you from e-mailing me first.


This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and
I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you
and one of the Infamous Four.


......uh-oh, here come the paranoia police!


Lastly, I find it curious (and certainly lends significant
credence to doubting you and YOUR stories...) that you show up from no
where in an Amateur Radio forum, CLAIM to be a former Marine with
impeccable "references",


Who said my references were "impeccable"? Not me. I wasn't exactly the
'model Marine'. Heck, I was suprised when they promoted me back to PFC
(for the third time) just a month before I was discharged. Enough with
your misrepresentations, Steve.


yet have absolutely nothing to say ABOUT
Amateur Radio policy.


Sure I do. Wanna hear what I have to say about the service in general
or about the few cronies that screw it up?


Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like
Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your
own lap.


And all your ranting has done nothing to resolve the topic of this
discussion. If you can think of anything that would make me believe
that you were in the USMC then feel free to speak up. Otherwise, it
looks like you are just stalling -- making excuses, obfuscating,
changing topics -- in hopes that I'll give up and leave.







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