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Old October 8th 06, 05:28 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy
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Default Part B, Is the code requirement really keeping good people out?

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From: on Sat, Oct 7 2006 6:39 am


Dave Heil wrote:
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Dave Heil wrote:
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From: on Tues, Oct 3 2006 3:25 pm
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Tsk, tsk, you've TOLD ME what I should have done in the
military...


What did Jim TELL YOU that you should have been doing, Len?
Was it something about not fabrication experience in combat?

....yet you've never served in the military or in
the US government. I served 8 years in the US Army.


At ease, old soldier. I served in the military and the U.S. government.
Look what fabrications you've come up with on that.

You can see and read what I did for three years there via:

http://sujan.hallikainen.org/Broadca...s/My3Years.pdf

6 MB in size, takes about 19 minutes download on a dial-up
connection. Twenty pages with many photo illustrations.
High-power HF transmitters. 1953 to 1956.


Reruns of "Look what I did".

The other reason for Len's antics is so he can tell us, once again, the
different things he's done.


"It ain't braggin' if ya done it!" :-)


It isn't "all that", Leonard Baby.

Have you noticed that Len doesn't ask about what other people have done
in *amateur* radio? And this is an *amateur* radio newsgroup!


Tsk, I have done so. All that you've displayed (via links)
is an old 70's era receiver, supposedly built for less than
$100, on Kees Talen's website "HBR" pages (HomeBrew Receiver,
after the various "HBR" articles in QST of decades ago).


(Insert the profile of Leonard's actions here)


Didja know Fessenden's 1906 "broadcast" used an alternator transmitter?
I surely did.

Of course that limited his voice-radio operations to below 100 kHz
(3000 meters)


Tsk, tsk, that was before 1920. 1920 is 86 years ago.


Your ADA sojourn began about fifty-three years back, didn't it, Len?
Why do you live in the past so much?

Why do you live in the past so much?

For a double-degreed education in things electrical you
just displayed a surprising amount of ILL logic and
definite misunderstanding of the real definition of
"practical."

Note the dig at my BSEE and MSEE degrees. What Len doesn't realize is
that, in the history of electrical engineering, all sorts of
now-incredible things were once considered practical.



Some insist that "Greenlee Chassis Punches" are necessary
for homebuilt radio construction.


Who has insisted that, Len. Feel free to use a drill and a saber saw
with a metal-cutting blade.

Is ONLY "practical" for knocking out conduit attachment
holes in electrical power distribution boxes or some
70s-era boatanchor construction project (i.e., using
vacuum tubes and needing socket holes for same).


That's a factual error as anyone who builds linear amplifiers, builds
other electronic gear or installs a ball mount for an antenna on an
automobile can tell you.

Greenlee is still a corporation in Rockford, IL, but they
seem to have stopped making "chassis punches" for radio
hobbyists.


There's another of your factual errors. Greenlee still sells chassis
punches--round ones, square ones, those shaped for D-connectors, power
sockets. There's even a hydraulic punch set. The U.S. Government buys
loads of them. The company's "hole making" product information can be
downloaded--all 7.9 mb of it.

http://www.greenlee.com/product/index.html


For example, the very first operational general-purpose electronic
digital computer was the ENIAC, which was built at one of my alma
maters here in Philadelphia. Its design and construction were paid for
(some would say "subsidized") by the U.S. Army (some would say "the
taxpayers"). Its original stated purpose was for the calculation of
artillery aiming information.


"Firing Tables" those are called, Jimmie. Ever spot
artillery fall, Jimmie? Oh, you weren't IN the
military! That's right...


As I recall, you wrote a very well known piece about what it is like to
undergo an artillery barrage. When and where did that take place, Len?
Can your friend Gene confirm it?

Some may point to machines like the Colossus, Mark 1 or even the ABC as
the "first computer". But they all lack something that ENIAC had. Some,
like the ABC and even Babbage's Difference Engine, were never fully
operational. Some, like the Mark 1, used relays and mechanics for
calculation, and were not really electronic. Some were built for a
specific task, such as breaking codes, and were not really general
purpose. Some were partly or entirely analog, such as the Differential
Analyzer. ENIAC was the first to do it all.


ENIAC "broke codes?" Really? "Did it all?" :-)

Ever hear of 'the BSTJ?' That's the Bell System Technical
Journal. Before the Bell break-up it was published
(mostly) monthly. They had a nice write-up in it on the
three electromechanical 'computers' that Bell Labs made
for making Firing Tables during WWII.

Good old "amateur radio subject in an amateur radio
newsgroup!" :-)


Didn't you just bring up your experiences at ADA?


ENIAC took up an enormous amount of space and power, used over 17,000
tubes and required programming in machine language to do anything
useful.


Jimmie ever do any "programming in machine language?" At any
time? I have. Want me to list them? :-)


That's not necessary, Len. Why not tell us any of the things you've
done in amateur radio?


That's why I wrote the above ENIAC story.


BFD. You went to Moore, "touched" the museum piece that it is.


(insert the profile here)


How many computers made today have a useful life as long as ENIAC?


My HP Pavilion box for one. My wife's HP Pavilion for two.
One hellishly FASTER clock rate than ENIAC, enormous RAM,
ROM, and mass storage medium. Built about 4 years ago.


Let us know if you replace it before eleven years.


I got to see and touch parts of ENIAC.


Wowee. I've touched the Liberty Bell at Independance Hall
in Philly. Between the two, I'd much prefer the Liberty
Bell. ENIAC is defunct. Liberty is NOT.


Liberty is not a bell.


Also read the papers on it. A
machine that changed the world, made from very ordinary parts and
techniques, assembled in a new way.


PR minutae you spout.


Hey! You were finally able to work in the plural form of the word.


Webster's spells it "minutia" for singular, "minutiae" for plural.
Len's should have chosen the singular. He made an error.

Typical.


Tsk, tsk, Jimmie lays on the MINUTAE in plural form so much
that I was correct. :-)


No, Len, you were not correct. You were corrected.

WTF Moore School and ENIAC have to do with AMATEUR RADIO POLICY
seems to have vanished in Jimmieworld.


What was that url for the info about ADA?

The main point is that it's not superfluous. Voice radio was
"practical" enough for MW broadcasting by 1920 - that's not an opinion,
it's a demonstrated fact.
Yes. There is nothing currently underway to move toward anything in the
near future to change amplitude modulation for medium wave broadcasting.

There are AM BC receivers from the 1920s that, if restored, will
perform admirably today in their intended purpose.


Then let the Navy use them. :-) ["perform admirably" :-) ]

Some NTSC TV sets from 60 years ago, if restored, can still be used to
watch VHF TV.


Why? Aren't those good for 80m "CW" transceiver parts?
[rock-bound at 3.58 MHz... :-) ]

"Cost less than $100...etc., etc., etc." :-)

Of course HDTV will eventually replace NTSC.


"Eventually?!?" The transition phase is and has been underway
NOW, Jimmie. Here in the USA, not on some "website."


Only a fraction of the American people are watching HDTV. Most aren't
even aware of what will hit them in a couple of years. People are still
running out to K-Mart and Wally World and buying new *analog* TV sets.
Some compromise sets are being marketed as EDTV for "Enhanced Definition".

Once you watch DTV in operation, side by side with an older
NTSC set, the tremendous difference in DTV can be seen AND
heard. With the truly flat-screen LCD, Plasma, or DLP display
with a wider picture than possible with NTSC, the detail and
expanse is striking with DTV.


It'll be possible to watch DTV with a simple converter. Those will
extend the life of analog televisions for many years. The Feds are even
going to help pay for the converter boxes. I don't recall them doing
that when the UHF-TV channels came into existence.

There'll be a big learning curve for the non-city dwelling owners of new
HDTV receivers. They'll find that they have to use antennas with fairly
high gain, preamps and rotators. They'll be using those rotators quite
often. I ended up buying a Channel Master rotator with remote control
and memory.

Jimmie say "if it ain't broke, don't fix it?" Tsk, Jimmie be
the Amish of ham radio. Jimmie love horse-and-buggy comms
using morse code? [note similarity of 'horse' and 'morse']


(insert profile here)

He knows very little about me and has resorted to wild speculation and
untruths for a long time.


Tsk. Typical bluffmanship on Jimmie's part.


It was an accurate statement, Leonard. You don't know much about Jim.
You have resorted to wild speculation and untruths.

He no say what
he do but he IMPLIES lots.


Sounds like a conspiracy to me.

Sounds like that USMC Imposter
Robeson's tactic.


Why not bring his name up with your new recruiter friend. As an
alternative, have Brian Burke contact "Stolen Valor".

Jimmie keep things SECRET. Very hush-hush. Somebody say
Jimmie know nothing, they "LIARS." Just like Robeson.


You do washee?

See above about ENIAC. It was very practical, in its time - but never
repeated.


ENIAC defuct.


The same can't be said for you.

Flunked in reliability, flunked in architecture
(BCD accumulators/registers, not binary). NEVER repeated.
A MUSEUM PIECE.


As are you, dear Leonard.


I'm still looking for a definition of "morsemanship"


Poor baby. Can't understand it? Post-graduate degree and
you still can't connect the dots? :-)


He has a license which says he can connect the dots and the dashes.
Do you have such documentation? Tsk, tsk, poor baby.


My history sources go far beyond ARRL publications.
And ARRL history isn't "bowdlerized".


ARRL carefully OMITS certain items of history and IMPLIES
amateurs are 'responsible' for all advances. :-)


You've made another untruthful statement. Note the lack of a smiley.

Beyond the Thomas White radio history pages, Jimmie not
mention any of his "sources" that go beyond League
publications.


You're an old cut and paste man, Len. What do you normally do in such a
situation?


I was writing about non-amateur use of Morse Code in radio.


Why Jimmie do dat? This be AMATEUR Radio newsgroup.


What's that ADA url?


Notice how Len doesn't mention any HF experience of his after ADA,
except cb?


WRONG. Civil avionics work included HF...used in US
Aviation Radio Service. Maritime Radio Service
includes personal use of an HF SSB transceiver
(SGC-2020) two years ago. Contract work involved
DoD design and evaluation which did not need my
civilian Commercial operator license sign-off.



All fine stuff, Len. I'm convinced.


To do so would require not only a license, but assembling a station.


"Plug and play" nowadays, was that way a half century
ago. :-)


Sure it is, Len. Just unbox your tower and antennas (all
pre-assembled), set them up in the yard, connect a microphone and "Hello
World". Right.

Collins Radio used to make whole stations,
quit the amateur radio market and still makes money.


Don't they make whole stations anymore?

Note that while Len talks endlessly about places he has worked and
projects he has worked on, there's almost nothing about radio projects
he has done himself, with his own money, at home.


This newsgroup is Amateur Radio Policy, not Amateur Radio
Homebrew. :-)


It isn't alt.radio.commercial or alt.radio.military either, old boy. :-)

Jimmie wanna see my home workshop? Have it digitized,
was sent to three others. Wanna see the HP 608D and
the 606 signal generators, the 60 MHz dual-channel
scopes (note plural), the 1 KW Variac below the bench?


You're kind of light in the Variac department, Len. Don't you have
anything which will handle real power?

Poor baby. Jimmie jealous? Jimmie work at just ONE
employer his whole life? Jimmie NOT serve in military.
Jimmie NOT serve in government. Jimmie "serves" the
nation by his ham radio hobby?


You're a pathetic and childish geezer, Len. You really need a way to
fill your idle hours.


There's the one-tube unlicensed oscillator transmitter of 1948, his
conversion of some ARC-5s and their sale, the store-bought ICOM
receiver and the compact Johnson....and not much else.


WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

Two complete ARC-5 receiver-transmitters for 40 meters.
Conversion earned me some money on resale. I still have
one 6-9 MHz ARC-5 receiver that runs, assorted parts from
both receivers and transmitters. Did that in 1948,
not the "phonograph transmitter" built as a lark in
1947...which worked on the AM BC band and did not violate
any FCC regulations at the time. :-)


Maybe you could whip together a modern, solid state version of the phono
oscillator and play at being a junior ham, Len. You could CQ, assign
yourself an "XB-523" call and all. You might convince a neighbor to
build one too. You could have a blast.

Oh, my, a "store-bought Icom receiver!" Their model IC-R70.
Paid for "in cash" (check, actually) at an HRO in Van Nuys,
CA (later moved to two successive locations in Burbank, CA).
Cost about $600 then. No problem, could afford it.
Ask USMC Imposter Robeson about any of those HRO stores.
He says he's been to two of them "with friends." :-)


Surely he's fabricating. You could check with the recruiter and get
some sort of investigation going right away.

Would you like my old checkbook balance digitized so you
can view it for your 'verification?' How about I digitize
the receipt? Or do you want to wait for the famous
Background Check that Paul seems to want done? :-)


Paul didn't say anything about a background check, Len. He addressed
the IEEE Code of Ethics.

Oh, yeah, the "compact Johnson." The E. F. Johnson
Viking Messenger is small but not necessarily compact.
If you need some verification I can get some URLs for
CB nostalgia types for you.


It is a very tiny Johnson, Len. Your has been gathering dust for years.

On the "compact johnson,"
your allusion to my penis, let's just say I've
satisfied two wives and a dozen girlfriends with my
"goodie woody."


*Guffaw!* I'm sure that the story and equipment used with grow with the
countless retellings, Leonard.

Would you be satisfied with my primary
physician's note on its size, digitized and sent to
you?


I would personally treasure such a document for the rest of my life,
Leonard. It would confirm every notion I've ever had about your state
of being, both physical and emotional.

Or will you wait for Paul's Background Check to
verify that bit of AMATEUR RADIO POLICY you want to
talk about? Hmmm? You like penises, Jimmie?


It sounds as if you're discussing superfluous minutae, Len.


Plus if FCC *does* drop Element 1, what will Len do?


Then I will drop the advocacy of eliminating the morse
code test...as I have written many times in here. There
would be no NEED for advocacy of eliminating that test
since it had already been eliminated in that case.


That isn't the same as saying that you'd be finished with advocating.
Your statement addresses one very specific item.

Tsk, you are SO unbelieving, all that FABRICATION about
"reasons" you imagine! Poor baby.


We've seen you in action for better than a decade. Tsk, task, poor baby.


Len could have had a no-code tech ages ago.


Len had a Commercial First 'Phone since 1956, has used
that in many more places on the EM spectrum than are
allowed to US radio amateurs.


A commercial license can't be used in amateur radio, Len. Sorry.

Mostly for money but
some times just for fun.


Are you discussing your tiny, dusty Johnson?


See you on the air, Dave.


Using very slow-scan ATV? Perhaps using morse code
pixels? You have morse code glasses? Your Elecraft
kit have a built-in spectrum analyzer? Video viewer?


How about if we use any band or mode available to us? You, of course,
may do as you can.