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Dave Heil · February 7th 07, 05:35 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

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From: Dave Heil on Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:38:16 GMT

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:16:22 GMT
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My statement is correct. N2EY has never been other than civilized with
you.

Which "civilization" are you talking about? :-)

I didn't write "civilization", Leonard. I wrote "civilized."

Some Amazon River backwoods tribe using curare darts?

Is that where you learned your social skills?

His demeanor is in direct contrast with yours, especially when you
reply to him.

Cranky has a psychological problem involving pedantry
and religious transgendering. His problem, not mine.

No, Len, he doesn't. You've insulted him as if he does. That is one of
your several problems.

Your problem is much deeper. However, it MIGHT be
alleviated by your taking some Anger Management
counseling.

I'm not angry at all, Len. Are you angry?

My statement is correct. The overwhelming majority of posters to this
newsgroup are licensed radio amateurs.

Should I be "overwhelmed?" :-) I'm not.

Of course you aren't.

In here I'm not in the presence of gods, only some
cranky "superior" wannabes trying to push others
around.

You're being wishy-washy again. Are they gods or are they not gods?

There's no one here crankier than you, Len.

"Precious" can be applied to a pair of cute 4-year-olds
who each got an amateur radio license in 1998.

The word "precious" may be applied to numerous things.

So, you still believe that pre-kindergarten 4-year-olds
have sufficient English comprehension to take and pass
written test elements for an amateur radio license? :-)

Are you getting nervous?

Good luck on that one, now.

A newsgroup is NOT amateur radio.

That's correct. This particular newsgroup deals with amateur radio.

So do several other newsgroups.

However, NONE of them
seem to be concerned with getting anyone licensed in the
amateur radio service of the United States. That was
the point of "John Smith I" first posting in this thread.

"John" made his point. Feel free to appoint your self advocate for
something or other and to start the process for the creation of such a
newsgroup if you feel that it is needed.

So far, all that seems to be "dealt" is a bunch of middle-
school-minded macho adolescents busy tossing filth and
sexual innuendo around...

Nobody supports the Roger Wisemans of the world even if he somehow
obtained an amateur radio license. He's mentally ill.

...or some olde-tyme "superiority"
fossils busy berating others and/or trying to push others
around.

Either you really have an inferiority complex or you are truly inferior.

On the whole, this newsgroup doesn't seem to be dealing
at all well with amateur radio.

You're a big part of the sludge, Len.

You have NO AUTHORITY to demand all in here be licensed
for anything.

I've never made a demand that you obtain an amateur radio license.

That's obviously INCORRECT.

It is completely correct. I have never made such a demand.

YOU have wasted much memory
space with constant sniping, back-biting, arrogant
posturing (mostly on your alleged "superiority"), and
constant fabrication of others' "faults" which were no
faults, only differences of opinion.

Excuse me, Leonard. Where are the demands. You specifically wrote
"demands."

Your faults really are faults.

In fact, I much prefer that you didn't.

You seem to desire that in ALL your newsgroup opponents.

Don't lump yourself with ALL newsgroup opponents, Len. I wrote about
you and I meant you.

Is that the very model of modern morseman amateur? To
restrict the PUBLIC airways of anyone but your own cozy
little clique of hive-mind hammatures?

I wrote about you, Len, not anyone but my own cozy little clique.
The fact is, I'd really prefer that you not be licensed--just you.

Yes, it does
appear to be so! :-)

You make a great many factual errors.

You aren't a new amateur radio
op and you aren't likely to become one.

I haven't been a "new" radio operator since 1953.

Precisely. You have yet to become a radio amateur. When and if you
ever obtain such a license, you'll be a new amateur radio op.

You are CONSTANTLY dwelling on "new ops" as if that were
some kind of pejorative.

Someone beginning something is new at it. That seems to trouble you.

Why?

It is fact that can't be denied.

Is it because the FCC
will no longer have morse code testing as a necessity to
become a licensed radio amateur?

That has nothing to do with it. All Morse Code tested amateur radio
licensees were new when they first obtained a license. All non-Morse
Code tested ops will be new when they are first licensed.

Or are those your own
personal issues which might be alleviated by Anger
Management counseling?

I'm not angry, Len. I've stated a fact. Every radio amateur was new at
some point.

Maybe it is some kind of EGO thing, one of your imagining
you are always "superior" to those YOU consider "inferior?"

I'm superior to some in certain areas. I'm inferior to others.
Why is it that I can write such a thing but that you seem to have a
problem with the idea. It really seems to bother you that you could be
green at something.

Oh, my, it seems like you have MANY personal issues!

....and I'm being told so by a guy with an inferiority complex.

I was granted a COMMERCIAL radio operator license 50 years
ago...it is still on record although the FCC modified all
three Radiotelephone Operator classes into on General class
about 1985. Look it up in the FCC ULS if you must.

I don't care about it, Len. It isn't an amateur radio license.
In amateur radio, it qualifies you for nothing.

INCORRECT. MISTAKE. FAULTY. A commercial radio operator
license enables any grantee to operate a transmitter on
MORE of the EM spectrum, using MORE modes than are allocated
to radio amateurs. That involves radio technologies which
have yet to be adapted by the "amateur community."

Do you keep forgetting that we're discussing your commercial ticket in
an amateur radio newsgroup? It doesn't count for squat in obtaining an
amateur radio license. It doesn't give you any amateur radio privileges.

By human-made LAW at the federal level, licensed amateurs
are restricted to LAW-specified frequency bands and only
certain, specified modes of operation and modulation.

Right. You aren't authorized to operate an amateur radio station in
those places.

Radio amateurs cannot broadcast, cannot get monetary
compensation for their radio activies (some rare exceptions
such as in Part 97.113 (d)), cannot permit anyone but a
licensed control operator to operate their (or other
amateur) station transmitters.

Other than Todd O'What's-his-face and the former holder of the K1MAN
callsign, what radio amateur is spending his time thinking that he's a
broadcaster? What are you going on about?

Note the use of "human-
made" as a descriptor. The LAW came into being as a
political thing, not some divine edict in which (licensed)
radio amateurs are somehow "superior" to all others. What
was made by humans can be deleted by humans. FCC 06-178
is as lawful as any other US amateur radio service
regulation and it has deleted your cherished code test.

That doesn't change anything for you, Len. You're still on the outside,
looking in. When it comes to amateur radio, all licensed ops are your
superiors.

I could go on and on about my technical-operational back-
ground...

And you *have*--often.

...but you would simply dismiss it in your usual
arrogant "superior" manner as if it were "nothing."

It isn't anything to me. It isn't anything to the FCC. They still
expect you to pass all the exams required for a particular class of
license if you are to be issued one. That's the only way open to you.

You
just did that above.

Sure, I did. The commercial license you keep bringing up doesn't do
anything toward getting you an amateur radio license.

This only demonstrates your spiteful
selfish desire to be some kind of "superior" over others,
amply demonstrated in here for years.

Like I said, Len, I don't care if you ever obtain an amateur ticket.
You can sulk and pout to the end of your days. I really don't care.

Now how do you think that looks to those who are really
new to radio, any kind of radio?

Let me make it clear to anyone who is a potential new ham right now:

Do it now. Take the test now. If you want to become a radio amateur,
don't wait, don't waste precious years waffling. Learn the material and
get that license. The sooner you take and pass the exam, the sooner you
can enjoy all that amateur radio has to offer. You don't need some
self-appointed advocate. You don't need to read this newsgroup. Just
order the study material and get to work on them.

There, Len, that should clear things up for the potential licensees you
might happen upon r.r.a.p. Don't misunderstand. I didn't mean the
above for you. You may spend the balance of your days on the sideline.

Do you think they will
worship you at your feet AS IF you were some god of radio?

What is this radio god fetish you have?

Do you think it makes them proud just to be in the same
newsgroup with you?

I don't spend my days wondering or worrying if some potential new ham is
going to be proud of me.

If you do, then you've got a really
bad case of Superiority Complex all mixed up with an even
larger Inferiority Complex. A complex confusion.

Well, I don't, so the rest of your rant is sort of pointless.

You cannot foretell the future. No human has proven to be
prescient.

I predict that you will never obtain an amateur radio license during
your lifetime. Now let's sit back and see if I've accurately predicted
the future.

It's irrelevant as to whatever I do.

It's relevant. You said that I couldn't foretell the future. We'll
wait for a bit and we'll find out. Maybe I'm a seer.

If you keep on treating
me as something worse than dirt, then others will think that
you will treat them as dirt, or worse.

No, Len, you aren't worse than dirt. You're just a fellow who can't
seem to behave himself.

They will get the
(demonstratably correct) idea that ALL olde-tyme morsemen
are elite snobs looking down on "lesser beings." NOT a
good attitude.

There's one of your mistakes. They might get the idea that I don't care
for you. Besides, I've addressed them above.

Your constant prodding, poking, sneering, and general un-
wholesome behavior about "newbies" and "neophytes" makes it
clear that YOUR motivation is merely to make fun of, to
ridicule and demean all your newsgroup opponents.

There's just you, Len. You aren't yet a newbie or neophyte in amateur
radio. If I can foresee the future, you won't ever be a newbie or
neophyte in amateur radio.

You are
trying to "set up" some kind of future commentary.

According to you, as soon as the Morse Test is gone, you're history.

That's
so predictable that you might as well make graphics lighted
by neon. For example, in my case, three possible courses
of your future action:

1. I take no action towards getting an amateur radio license:
No change in your attitude, the same manufactured "faults"
you've been expressing all along, a constant barrage of snide
snarly remarks about "long interest" and "no action."

Let's see...you take no action, you make good on your statement that
you'll be leaving this newsgroup and I'll have to be reminded that I can
foresee the future.

2. I try testing and fail any element: Accusations of
"stupdity," "inability to be as good as four-year-olds,"
and general cat-calling of a most uncivil nature. A general
set of uncomplimentary remarks including charges of an "age"
nature.

It would have nothing to do with age or with stupidity. There are
plenty of fellows who have failed an element. They retake it until they
pass.

3. I try and succeed: Modified accusations, now along the
lines of snide, snarly, berating comments about "why didn't
I do that 'sooner?'" That would be followed by a "lecture"
of how I was "supposed to have gotten an amateur license
'first'!"

As I've said, Len, given the way you act, I prefer if you don't obtain
an amateur radio license. I can do nothing for or against your taking
and passing an exam. I'd probably think more of you if you took and
passed an exam for any class amateur radio exam. The "sooner" doesn't
matter. The time you wasted typing your fingers to the bone here in
r.r.a.p. is your time. You wasted it.

For any of the three possible scenarios I would proceed
on my own, for me, NOT on any remarks from a suspected
insane individual such as yourself.

The first scenario doesn't have you proceeding at all, but have it your
way, Len. Get an amateur radio license or don't get an amateur radio
license. Either way, my life doesn't change.

You're the biggest control freak of all, Len. You want to control
regulations in something in which you play no part.

My advocacy of eliminating the code test was about GETTING
INTO amateur radio.

Yep. You've taken longer to get into amateur radio than any individual
I've heard of.

The FCC did eliminate that code test
effect 23 Feb 07. Thousands commented to the FCC about
eliminating that code test, including myself. There is
NO LAW WHATSOEVER that restricted such commentary to ONLY
licensed persons in a particular civil radio service.

You commented. Now what?

Do YOU spend all your time GETTING INTO amateur radio
through taking morse code tests? I don't think so.

Don't you think I could pass, Len?

YOU spend an inordinate amount of time trying to accuse
others of pushing YOU around!

I've spent no time accusing others of pushing me around. That's what
you do. You write of someone who DEMANDS something of you when no demand
has been made.

Oh, my, who could EVER
DARE push Heil around?!?

I have a better scenario, Len. Who is capable of pushing me around?
Am I going to be searching for my teeth? Is someone going to lay a
2 x 4 against my head?

Why you would just fabricate
some "faults" of theirs and try to get others to believe
that!

No one needs fabricate faults of yours, Len. There are plenty of 'em
just lying about.

The only "sow" encountered in the last decade have been
some transgendered porcine types who thought they were
gods of radio and attempted pushing many of us NCTA
around.

You've told us about the "sow" you've eaten in recent months.
You've thus eaten the gods of radio. How very, very peculiar.

INCORRECT. The FDA does not require labeling of ham
as to the gender of the animal butchered and packed.

A definition of ham: "The butchered meat of swine."

So you *may* have eaten the gods of radio. Tsk, tsk. Poor baby.

You're still at the starting line, Len.

IMPOSSIBLE. The only "starting line" in radio happened in
either Switzerland of 1895 or Italy of 1896, both done by
Guglielmo Marconi. That is historical fact. The only
dispute there is Marconi's experiments (few records were
kept) in Switzerland in 1895. Popov in Russia demonstrated
radio as a communications medium in 1896.

[balance of windy pontification snipped]

You're no closer to an amateur radio license than you were decades back.
You're no closer than you were over ten years ago when you began posting
to r.r.a.p. A standstill is always a standstill.

Dave K8MN