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On Mar 19, 9:13�pm, Dave Heil wrote:
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On Mar 19, 6:42?pm, Dave Heil wrote:
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On Mar 19, 8:33?am, "an old friend" wrote:
On Mar 18, 12:12 pm, "Alun L. Palmer" wrote:
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Blimey! You got a callsign! I didn't think it would ever happen.
Welcome aboard. Alun N3KIP

he did just as he said he would years ago

I did NOT "do as I said years ago."

LA "I'm going for Amateur Extra "out of the box." "

No, you most certainly did not. You made a boast over seven years
back of going for an "Extra right out of the box". ?
You did squat for those years.

Dave,

Haven't you figured out Len's game yet?

It's really simple.

He plants errors in his posts, then argues with and derides some of
those who point them out.

Well he *makes* a great many factual errors. *I didn't think they were
all planted though.

I didn't say they were *all* planted.

But consider the one under discussion. Len
wrote in January 2000 that he was going for
Extra out of the box. No mention of waiting for
the Morse Code test to be removed. Then he
finally does it seven years and some days later.
All easily verified facts.

But then he says he did not do as he said
he would do, years ago.

Why would someone put such an obvious and
easily-disproved error into a posting here?

MANUFACTURED
some life-enduring "promise" out of whole cloth, taking it well
out of context at the time.

See? There he goes! The context is crystal clear, yet
he says the whole thing is "MANUFACTURED".

It was not manufactured at all and was certainly not taken out of
context. That you now find it embarrassing is the issue.

Here's a link to that posting of Jan 19, 2000:

http://tinyurl.com/c5qyv

And the famous quote:

LA "I'm going for Amateur Extra "out of the box." "

"an old friend" knows what Len meant.

You know what Len meant.

I know what Len meant.

Anyone who understands plain English who reads that post knows what
Len meant.

I'm banking on that. *He bragged. *He fell.

He finally did it, though.

btw - more recently, Len boasted that he could pass the
Extra with or without the Morse Code test. Since he
waited until after the Morse Code test was eliminated, it proved to
be an idle boast.

It is something he'll never have the opportunity to find out.

I'm sure a simulated test could be arranged.

I did not seriously consider getting an amateur radio license
until the 17th of February.

Note that Len does not mention which year!

No, he does not.

I think he meant Feb 17 1999, soon after the Reply Comments
to 98-143 closed. You know - the Reply Comments where he
proposed a minimum age of 14 years for any class of Amateur
Radio license.

* *That's the truth regardless of how others twist around old
statements of mine.

See? It's all other people's fault. Even though Len wrote:

LA "I'm going for Amateur Extra "out of the box." "

way back then.

I find it difficult to accept your claim as factual.

However, once
IN, I plan to stay in...until I decide to get out (if I do).
Everyone who becomes a radio amateur has a finite time in which to
participate.

Do you think Len has an HF amateur radio station of his own
operational yet?

Noooooo.

If he ever does set up a station, do you think it will be a
state-of-the-art experimental station, mostly homebrew?

Noooooo.

Or do you think it will be an assembly of off-the-shelf manufactured
equipment?

Assuredly.

It's really simple: Len wants others to do as he says,
not as he does.

Once a REAL decision has been made, then one can work towards that
goal with more attention.

I could have told Len that back in 1970, when I got my Extra in the
summer between 10th and 11th grade.

I believe you could have. *Len just procrastinated for decades. *He
couldn't overcome inertia.

Nobody really knows.

* *There is NO extra-
special, genius (or genuous) level of knowledge required to
pass those tests.

Yup. Yet it took Len all those years to get his.

Inertia.

Maybe.

I don't recall a single Morse-tested Extra class licensee ever
saying that the Amateur Extra was a mark of genius.

Not a one.

So where does Len get his ideas? *Does he forget that *he* is the one
who has stated such things?

Actually, that's probably true.

Have you forgotten the post where I explained the basics of the
psychological terms "projection" and "transference"?

Here's a handy link, for reference:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...g/71787776dd60
6ca9?dmode=source&hl=en

or

http://tinyurl.com/2jsrdb

All it takes is some attention-focused work.

How about that! Even with all of Len's PROFESSIONAL experience, it
took *work* for him to pass the Extra.

But what has Len said of "work" in the past?

Refresh my memory.

I didn't think it was work at all, back in 1970. Nor now.

You wouldn't think it would be much work for a PROFESSIONAL.

I do recall Len complaining that learning Morse Code was
hard work for him. He claimed to have reached 7 or 8
wpm way back when.

Many told you so. You usually dismissed them. You were told the
same about learning Morse code.

Consider Len's game, Dave. He says he will do things, then
doesn't do them. Like the way he said he would leave rrap
when the Morse Code test was eliminated. Element 1 went away, but
Len didn't.

If you couple his deliberate and other factual errors with the fact
that you can't take him at his word, you aren't left with much.

Projection. Transference.

Or he says things and then denies he said them. Then folks
waste time pointing out his errors, and he gets to insult them for
telling the truth.

...or says that those things are MANUFACTURED out of whole cloth or
that they are taken out of context.

Yet we never get an explanation of the context.

Keep at it and he'll toss in the Byte Brothers quote and other
insults.

...or tell you to DROP IT!

Or to go get....you know the rest.

And after all that, he will complain about the 'filth' in a thread.

Here's that link anc quote, again:

http://tinyurl.com/c5qyv

LA "I'm going for Amateur Extra "out of the box." "

And he finally did - seven years later. Now he's finally
a new radio amateur. A novice, beginner, tyro, tenderfoot,
wet-behind-the-ears, just-out-of-the-box newbie to amateur radio.

Yup.

Go a little easy on Len. He needs quite a bit of Elmering, I think.

Most neophytes do.

Ah yes, neophyte. What the Gs call 'nippers'.

73 de Jim, N2EY


A nipper is a child - on air we call them 'harmonics'. Oddly enough, we
refer to both spurii and children as 'sprogs' also.

73 de Alun, N3KIP, G8VUK