wrote in
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On Mar 19, 9:13�pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 19, 6:42?pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 19, 8:33?am, "an old friend" wrote:
On Mar 18, 12:12 pm, "Alun L. Palmer" wrote:
" wrote
roups.com:
Blimey! You got a callsign! I didn't think it would ever happen.
Welcome aboard. Alun N3KIP

he did just as he said he would years ago

I did NOT "do as I said years ago."

LA "I'm going for Amateur Extra "out of the box." "

No, you most certainly did not. You made a boast over seven years
back of going for an "Extra right out of the box". ?
You did squat for those years.

Dave,

Haven't you figured out Len's game yet?

It's really simple.

He plants errors in his posts, then argues with and derides some of
those who point them out.

Well he *makes* a great many factual errors. *I didn't think they were
all planted though.

I didn't say they were *all* planted.

But consider the one under discussion. Len
wrote in January 2000 that he was going for
Extra out of the box. No mention of waiting for
the Morse Code test to be removed. Then he
finally does it seven years and some days later.
All easily verified facts.

But then he says he did not do as he said
he would do, years ago.

Why would someone put such an obvious and
easily-disproved error into a posting here?

MANUFACTURED
some life-enduring "promise" out of whole cloth, taking it well
out of context at the time.

See? There he goes! The context is crystal clear, yet
he says the whole thing is "MANUFACTURED".

It was not manufactured at all and was certainly not taken out of
context. That you now find it embarrassing is the issue.

Here's a link to that posting of Jan 19, 2000:

http://tinyurl.com/c5qyv

And the famous quote:

LA "I'm going for Amateur Extra "out of the box." "

"an old friend" knows what Len meant.

You know what Len meant.

I know what Len meant.

Anyone who understands plain English who reads that post knows what
Len meant.

I'm banking on that. *He bragged. *He fell.

He finally did it, though.

btw - more recently, Len boasted that he could pass the
Extra with or without the Morse Code test. Since he
waited until after the Morse Code test was eliminated, it proved to
be an idle boast.

It is something he'll never have the opportunity to find out.

I'm sure a simulated test could be arranged.

I did not seriously consider getting an amateur radio license
until the 17th of February.

Note that Len does not mention which year!

No, he does not.

I think he meant Feb 17 1999, soon after the Reply Comments
to 98-143 closed. You know - the Reply Comments where he
proposed a minimum age of 14 years for any class of Amateur
Radio license.

* *That's the truth regardless of how others twist around old
statements of mine.

See? It's all other people's fault. Even though Len wrote:

LA "I'm going for Amateur Extra "out of the box." "

way back then.

I find it difficult to accept your claim as factual.

However, once
IN, I plan to stay in...until I decide to get out (if I do).
Everyone who becomes a radio amateur has a finite time in which to
participate.

Do you think Len has an HF amateur radio station of his own
operational yet?

Noooooo.

If he ever does set up a station, do you think it will be a
state-of-the-art experimental station, mostly homebrew?

Noooooo.

Or do you think it will be an assembly of off-the-shelf manufactured
equipment?

Assuredly.

It's really simple: Len wants others to do as he says,
not as he does.

Once a REAL decision has been made, then one can work towards that
goal with more attention.

I could have told Len that back in 1970, when I got my Extra in the
summer between 10th and 11th grade.

I believe you could have. *Len just procrastinated for decades. *He
couldn't overcome inertia.

Nobody really knows.

* *There is NO extra-
special, genius (or genuous) level of knowledge required to
pass those tests.

Yup. Yet it took Len all those years to get his.

Inertia.

Maybe.

I don't recall a single Morse-tested Extra class licensee ever
saying that the Amateur Extra was a mark of genius.

Not a one.

So where does Len get his ideas? *Does he forget that *he* is the one
who has stated such things?

Actually, that's probably true.

Have you forgotten the post where I explained the basics of the
psychological terms "projection" and "transference"?

Here's a handy link, for reference:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...g/71787776dd60
6ca9?dmode=source&hl=en

or

http://tinyurl.com/2jsrdb

All it takes is some attention-focused work.

How about that! Even with all of Len's PROFESSIONAL experience, it
took *work* for him to pass the Extra.

But what has Len said of "work" in the past?

Refresh my memory.

I didn't think it was work at all, back in 1970. Nor now.

You wouldn't think it would be much work for a PROFESSIONAL.

I do recall Len complaining that learning Morse Code was
hard work for him. He claimed to have reached 7 or 8
wpm way back when.

Many told you so. You usually dismissed them. You were told the
same about learning Morse code.

Consider Len's game, Dave. He says he will do things, then
doesn't do them. Like the way he said he would leave rrap
when the Morse Code test was eliminated. Element 1 went away, but
Len didn't.

If you couple his deliberate and other factual errors with the fact
that you can't take him at his word, you aren't left with much.

Projection. Transference.

Or he says things and then denies he said them. Then folks
waste time pointing out his errors, and he gets to insult them for
telling the truth.

...or says that those things are MANUFACTURED out of whole cloth or
that they are taken out of context.

Yet we never get an explanation of the context.

Keep at it and he'll toss in the Byte Brothers quote and other
insults.

...or tell you to DROP IT!

Or to go get....you know the rest.

And after all that, he will complain about the 'filth' in a thread.

Here's that link anc quote, again:

http://tinyurl.com/c5qyv

LA "I'm going for Amateur Extra "out of the box." "

And he finally did - seven years later. Now he's finally
a new radio amateur. A novice, beginner, tyro, tenderfoot,
wet-behind-the-ears, just-out-of-the-box newbie to amateur radio.

Yup.

Go a little easy on Len. He needs quite a bit of Elmering, I think.

Most neophytes do.

Ah yes, neophyte. What the Gs call 'nippers'.

73 de Jim, N2EY


A nipper is a child - on air we call them 'harmonics'. Oddly enough, we
refer to both spurii and children as 'sprogs' also.

73 de Alun, N3KIP, G8VUK

On Mar 27, 5:28?am, "Alun L. Palmer" wrote:
wrote groups.com:





On Mar 19, 9:13?pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 19, 6:42?pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 19, 8:33?am, "an old friend" wrote:
On Mar 18, 12:12 pm, "Alun L. Palmer" wrote:
" wrote
roups.com:
Blimey! You got a callsign! I didn't think it would ever happen.
Welcome aboard. Alun N3KIP

he did just as he said he would years ago

I did NOT "do as I said years ago."


Ah yes, neophyte. What the Gs call 'nippers'.

A nipper is a child - on air we call them 'harmonics'. Oddly enough, we
refer to both spurii and children as 'sprogs' also.

73 de Alun, N3KIP, G8VUK

Alun, for an obvious Anglophile Miccolis doesn't know much. Tsk,
you had best "Elmer" him in such things. Or perhaps have him
watch PBS-TV on a 48-hour marathon of BBS telly shows from
the 1970s.

One of the problems that created the total spam in this newsgroup
is the "newsgroup bloggers" such as Miccolis, vainly trying to find
an outlet for his unrepentant evangelism for morse code mode...and
trying to pretend he is one of the olde-tymers in hamme raddio.

I don't pretend to be one of those "auld hammes" but I've been IN
and ON radio since early 1953...in many radio services, including
being a third-party guest of several licensed amateurs during
live contacts. Miccolis' spite is so long-lasting and ever-present
that he feels compelled to continue his denigrations. No matter.
After the first weeks of that years ago, he is no more than the
usual computer-modem communicator whose ego has been
deflated and thus tries to "get back" at his imaginary "enemies."

---

On February 23rd of 2007 there was a sedate "revolution" in U.S.
amateur radio and the elimination of the code test from all license
class examinations. That obviously HURT many of the egos of
the olde-tymers who now prided themselves (inordinately) on their
mastership of morse and, more importantly, being "better than
average amateurs" for having gained the amateur extra class
license. They loved the status, the rank, the privileges, the
prestige and were not above shoving it on all "lesser" beings in
the hobby. That was morally wrong but one cannot say that to
these mighty macho morsemen without repercussions for at
least a decade's worth of spite on their part.

The "revolution" happened but few took part. At most the changes
taking place were a lot of class upgrades in the USA. There was
NO ground-swell of "no-coders" and "CB-types" suddenly filling the
HF bands with "bad behavior." [the bad behavior was already there
and alive from the already-tested-in-morse-code licensees]

The "revolution" had already begun in 1991 with the creation of
the no-code-test Technician Class. That single category is the
ONLY class responsible for keeping the total number of USA
amateur licensees from falling drastically in numbers. Let's face
it, the "actuarial tables" WILL have their way with ALL human
endeavors, no exceptions. USA amateur radio was growing in
age all along but its greying members were busy, busy denying
it while trying to forget about their own mortality, hearkening
back
to a time when they were young and the world (to them) was new.
Those olde-tymers were too busy making themselves feel
"important" to notice that CHANGES were happening in the
hobby. Such denial is one of the first signs of decay in any
human endeavor...but they denied that, mightily.

I didn't really consider getting an amateur radio license until
February 17th of this year. I'd had (and still do) a commercial
license since March 1956. But, it would be, I thought, a FUN
hobby in my retirement years. I don't need the experience to
"further my career" (I've had one, reasonably successfully) or
"give back" anything to anybody. I was not interested in
"emergency work" or volunteerism in radio...I am a volunteer
in other things. Neither am I interested in advancing the state
of the radio art just for the sake of saying I am advancing the
state of the radio art. Theory and construction are simply part
of the fun, of being able to legally try out some experiments
which are fun to do in themselves. Hobbies are about personal
enjoyment for its own sake...although many pervert their own
desires to "be someone" by taking up certain hobbies in order
to brag about it.

Was the license exam "hard?" No. On the most objective
comparison, it would be on the order of college-level quarter
tests in first or second year of formal study...some memorization
of regulations and new terms and procedures specifically about
amateur radio practice. To anyone who has been IN radio (of
almost any kind) for a decade, it was not difficult. Test element
4 question pool contains about 16 times the minimum specified
number of 10 (as regulated by the FCC) questions and the
"hard" part could be said to be in trying to spot the distractors
in phrasing/syntax obviously put there by the VEC QPC. The
"hard" part might be the waiting between elements while a
group of 20 goes through its required tests and grading, most
of whom were applicants for Technician and General class
licenses in my exam group. By observation I was the only
one going "extra out of the box"...and apparently the only one
in the experience of that ARRL VEC test team to have done
so...at least recently.

Did that test experience and license grant "make me better?"
Not really. What I knew I already knew about radio in general,
from theoretical to original design to operating. The only thing
unique in USA amateur radio is the regulations and the on-air
procedure. Otherwise it is no "better" than any other radio
service...who all have their own specific regulations and
procedure and jargon.

I enjoy some minor prestige in the sequential call assignment
for "newbies" who have achieved amateur extra. It yields a lot
of freedom in operating the bands below 23 cm..no real
restrictions based on Class of license. It gains some attention
from dealers of amateur radio equipment, some good and some
bad considering I ask pointed questions about certain products
and have always been a "hard sell" for salesmen. :-)

It should be a lot of FUN. Except in this (and similar) newsgroups
where the emphasis seems to be on general in-fighting of the
"establishment" versus (or is that 'verses' waxing poetic?) those
seeking change. I have the advantage of knowing other amateurs
from past acquaintenceship and work experience and already
have made "contacts" with some of those. No "elmering" needed
among friends. Real friends, not the false labels of those
pretending
to be "friends."

In this first month of the "revolution," it is like "they gave a
war
but nobody showed up." :-) Wouldn't it be nice if all wars
were like that?

73, Len AF6AY

On Mar 27, 2:44 pm, "AF6AY" wrote:

In this first month of the "revolution," it is like "they gave a
war
but nobody showed up." :-) Wouldn't it be nice if all wars
were like that?

73, Len AF6AY

They gave a war back in the day... Miccolis didn't show up then,
either.

On Mar 27, 5:19�pm, wrote:
On Mar 27, 2:44 pm, "AF6AY" wrote:

* *In this first month of the "revolution," it is like "they gave a war
* *but nobody showed up." *:-) * Wouldn't it be nice if all wars
* *were like that?

They gave a war back in the day... *Miccolis didn't show up then,
either.

True, but he KNOWS ALL ABOUT it. Sigh...and isn't reticent
about chiding volunteer military veterans. :-(

73, Len AF6AY

AF6AY wrote:
On Mar 27, 5:19�pm, wrote:

They gave a war back in the day... �Miccolis didn't show up then,
either.

True, but he KNOWS ALL ABOUT it. Sigh...and isn't reticent
about chiding volunteer military veterans. :-(

Neither are you or hot-ham-and-cheese, old sojer. You two act like
you're super citizens whose military service has elevated you above others.

Just a couple of days ago you ridiculed someone who wrote about the
Vietnam War Memorial. You bleated something about Korea. You didn't
serve in Korea during the Korean War. You made up your classic tale of
what it is like to undergo an artillery barrage. Your embellishment of
your military service is legend.

Dave K8MN

On Mar 28, 7:18�pm, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote:
On Mar 27, 5:19?pm, wrote:
They gave a war back in the day... ?Miccolis didn't show up then,
either.

* *True, but he KNOWS ALL ABOUT it. *Sigh...and isn't reticent
* *about chiding volunteer military veterans. *:-(

Neither are you or hot-ham-and-cheese, old sojer. *You two act like
you're super citizens whose military service has elevated you above others.

We HAVE served, robust oberst. We ARE a bit better than
those that NEVER served.

Just a couple of days ago you ridiculed someone who wrote about the
Vietnam War Memorial.

"Ridiculed?!?" NO. Failed to heap gratuitous praise on some
emotional outburst by an UNIDENTIFIED person? YES.

*You bleated something about Korea.

I didn't "BLEAT," robust oberst. I simply stated that the
Korean War has NOT YET been settled. It is in an
almost perpetual state of truce since July, 1953.

*You didn't serve in Korea during the Korean War.

I was assigned to the 8235th Army Unit, a signal
battalion attached to Army Central Command in the
Far East from late January 1953 to January 1956. The
Korean active War was from June 1950 to July 1953.

You made up your classic tale of
what it is like to undergo an artillery barrage.

"Classic?!?" Hardly. The writing wasn't good enough for
the "classic" classification. :-)

*Your embellishment of your military service is legend.

"Embellishment?!?" :-) Are you going to write the
Department of the Army and demand they retract my
Good Conduct Ribbon award? :-)

What I did during my active US Army assignment is
described in the photo essay available at:

http://sujan.hallikainen.org/Broadca...s/My3Years.pdf

The details described therein have been reviewed and
found accurate by three former members of that battalion
and a retired civilian engineer then working for the US
Army. Also available is:

http://sujan.hallikainen.org/Broadca...phabetSoup.pdf

...which is a digitized booklet produced by the signal
battalion showing what the station and facilities were
like in 1962-1963.

What WE do NOT have is the illustrious battle experience
of mighty warrior David Heil *IN* a country at war. Strangely
enough he is most reticent about saying anything on that.
Chances are, those saying nothing detailed were just the
usual REMF trying to pad out their 'histories.'

Len AF6AY

ex-RA16408336, SSgt SigC, US Army (1952-1960)

NB: The "RA" in the old Army Service Number indicates
a voluntary enlistment. A "US" prefix denotes a draftee.

AF6AY wrote:
On Mar 28, 7:18�pm, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote:
On Mar 27, 5:19?pm, wrote:
They gave a war back in the day... ?Miccolis didn't show up then,
either.
� �True, but he KNOWS ALL ABOUT it. �Sigh...and isn't reticent
� �about chiding volunteer military veterans. �:-(
Neither are you or hot-ham-and-cheese, old sojer. �You two act like
you're super citizens whose military service has elevated you above others.

We HAVE served, robust oberst. We ARE a bit better than
those that NEVER served.

Just a couple of days ago you ridiculed someone who wrote about the
Vietnam War Memorial.

"Ridiculed?!?" NO.

That's incorrect. Anyone can read what you wrote. You ridiculed and
insulted.

Failed to heap gratuitous praise on some
emotional outburst by an UNIDENTIFIED person? YES.

No, Len, you ridiculed.

�You bleated something about Korea.

I didn't "BLEAT," robust oberst.

Yes, you did, Foghorn.

I simply stated that the
Korean War has NOT YET been settled. It is in an
almost perpetual state of truce since July, 1953.

"There WAS a real, shooting war in northeast Asia then. Were YOU
there? In Korea?"
--Len Anderson


You didn't serve in Korea during the Korean War.

I was assigned to the 8235th Army Unit, a signal
battalion attached to Army Central Command in the
Far East from late January 1953 to January 1956. The
Korean active War was from June 1950 to July 1953.

I see. You didn't serve in Korea during the Korean War.

You made up your classic tale of
what it is like to undergo an artillery barrage.

"Classic?!?" Hardly. The writing wasn't good enough for
the "classic" classification. :-)

No, it wasn't. The fantasy piece was still a classic. It developed a
cult following and was quickly dubbed "The Sphincter Post".

�Your embellishment of your military service is legend.

"Embellishment?!?" :-)

Yes, embellishment.


Are you going to write the
Department of the Army and demand they retract my
Good Conduct Ribbon award? :-)

No, Len. I'm going to rub your face in it every time you start to wrap
yourself in bunting and lecture anyone about their military service or
lack thereof.

What I did during my active US Army assignment is
described in the photo essay available at:

http://sujan.hallikainen.org/Broadca...s/My3Years.pdf

So we've been told on numerous occasions.

What WE do NOT have is the illustrious battle experience
of mighty warrior David Heil *IN* a country at war.

No, you don't, do you? Such material has been posted on the web pages
of at least two Vietnam veteran organizations. I can't be faulted for
your inability to find the information, nor am I obligated to provide
you with any such information.

Strangely
enough he is most reticent about saying anything on that.

I haven't been reticent at all. I simply haven't posted much about it
here. I've long observed your tactics which are evidenced by your
sentence below.

Chances are, those saying nothing detailed were just the
usual REMF trying to pad out their 'histories.'

Len AF6AY

ex-RA16408336, SSgt SigC, US Army (1952-1960)

NB: The "RA" in the old Army Service Number indicates
a voluntary enlistment. A "US" prefix denotes a draftee.

Dave K8MN
AF12832692

Note: The "AF" in the number indicates "Air Force". My number was
changed not too long after my enlistment to an "AF" number which was the
same as my Social Security Number. I'm not giving you that one.

AF6AY wrote:
On Mar 28, 7:18�pm, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote:
On Mar 27, 5:19?pm, wrote:
They gave a war back in the day... ?Miccolis didn't show up then,
either.
� �True, but he KNOWS ALL ABOUT it. �Sigh...and isn't reticent
� �about chiding volunteer military veterans. �:-(
Neither are you or hot-ham-and-cheese, old sojer. �You two act like
you're super citizens whose military service has elevated you above others.

We HAVE served, robust oberst.

Yes, we HAVE, Foghorn.

We ARE a bit better than
those that NEVER served.

Where in the U.S. Constitution might we find confirmation of your claim?

Which U.S. law provides such a statement?

Dave K8MN

AF6AY wrote:

Len AF6AY

ex-RA16408336, SSgt SigC, US Army (1952-1960)

NB: The "RA" in the old Army Service Number indicates
a voluntary enlistment. A "US" prefix denotes a draftee.

Note: The Air Force never drafted anyone at any time.

Dave K8MN

On Mar 29, 12:18 am, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote:
On Mar 27, 5:19?pm, wrote:
They gave a war back in the day... ?Miccolis didn't show up then,
either.

True, but he KNOWS ALL ABOUT it. Sigh...and isn't reticent
about chiding volunteer military veterans. :-(

Neither are you or hot-ham-and-cheese, old sojer. You two act like
you're super citizens whose military service has elevated you above others.

Heil has no problem denigrating servicemen. Why doesn't he mention
that?

Just a couple of days ago you ridiculed someone who wrote about the
Vietnam War Memorial.

Just a couple of days ago I thanked that individual for his service.
That doesn't mean that I approve of the memorial.

You bleated something about Korea.

You bleated something about running for the Roanoke Division
Directorship. How's your nomination coming?

You didn't
serve in Korea during the Korean War.

You didn't serve in Korea.

You made up your classic tale of
what it is like to undergo an artillery barrage.

Did Len get it wrong? Tell us what it's like.

Your embellishment of
your military service is legend.

Dave K8MN

Your smugness is legendary.