From: Dave Heil on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:57:35 GMT

Subject: What Revolution?

AF6AY wrote:
From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700
On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical

A number of
individuals here have pointed out that an amateur radio license is only
the beginning.
If the exam is only the beginning, then multiple exams and multiple
license classes are superfluous. A number of individuals here have
pointed that out.

True. One ham = one license should be good enough for a hobby
activity.

I've told you a number of times that the FCC nowhere uses the word
"hobby" in defining or describing amateur radio.

I've told you a number of times that YOU are NOT the FCC and
HAVE NO AUTHORITY over amateur radio.


But...a long time ago the "amateur community" decided it wanted
(terribly) the RANK-STATUS-PRIVILEGES of multiple classes,
especially the morsemen holding on (with dear life) to their
beloved morse code. The "upper" classes could then look down
(and put down) the "lower" classes in great personal glee.

That seems to be your version of events and it seems that, despite of
reality, you're sticking to it.

It IS reality.

Just how long have you had this idea that you are NOBILITY?

Did God give that to you or did you develop it on your own?


If someone wanted to participate in amateur radio, passing an amateur
radio license exam was the only way to gain entry. That is still true
today.

So? I took and passed all the test elements for a US amateur
radio license on 25 Feb 07. The FCC (not your royal asshole
self) granted me an AMATEUR EXTRA class license on 7 Mar 07.

Lets see...before 7 Mar 07 you couldn't say enough bad things
about me BECAUSE I didn't have any amateur radio license...now
after 7 Mar 07 and the grant of AMATEUR EXTRA you STILL can't
say enough bad things, can't denigrate me enough.

I'd say you have one great big whopper of a PERSONALITY CONFLICT
filled with hate and bile because you can't put me down, can't
silence me, can't change my mind. Ergo, YOU MUST RULE. Sorry,
you DO NOT rule. You don't even work in the FCC.


WE just don't know for sure what Heil actually did unless he
states his USAF MOS, what he worked with "in a country at war."

The Air Force does not use that term, Leonard. If you're going to play
Secret Squirrel, at least bone up on the background info.

Evasion, ambiguity, attempt to misdirect.

Classic "Major Dud" Robeson responses in here for years.

Are you a Robeson Clone? You sure sound like one.

*WHAT* did Heil *DO* in Vietnam? Try to be more specific
than "serving his country" or being "in a country at war."

Did Heil spot artillery fall? Was he under "incoming?" How
did David Heil get the experience-granted "authority" to
denigrate anyone who has had that experience?

Try answering challenges DIRECTLY and not evading or misdirecting
every single question. [not that I expect such things but one
has to ask...]


Where did you see me writing of myself?

Everywhere that is free...certainly here in describing your
adventures in Embassy postings...on two websites elsewhere.
I'm not that concerned with boy-wonder rock musician turned
"diplomat" that I care to look unless someone sends me the
web addresses.

For example, you described your "synchronization of TTYs via
morse code communications"...in 1980...as a "good idea."
AS IF radio teletype hasn't been used for 50 years before that.

JIM has forty years more experience that you.

He has? He was born in 1892?!?

"Radio" has been around as a communications medium only since
1896. JIMMIE Miccolis must be a "true pioneer" in radio!

Hmmm...let's see...born in 1892, the first US radio regulating
agency begun in 1912...he got his Amateur Extra at age 20?

Wow! I can't top that, nossir! Neither can you, your Grateness.


You aren't Jim's equal in amateur radio or civility.

Who is "Jim?" :-)


Welp, I looked through Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R. and NOWHERE
does it say I have to bow down to any Grate Ones in amateur
radio nor even disturb them (into being "honked off") by
comments in a newsgroup.

What are you going to do NOW, your Grateness? Write Special
Counsel Riley Hollingsworth and demand the FCC take away my
amateur radio license due to "bad attitudes?"

Poor baby. Still honked off because you can't put me down,
can't silence my comments with all your mighty denigrations
and put-downs? You must be. That seems to be all you do.

Ya know, nowhere in Title 47 C.F.R. does it say anything about
"beginners, neophytes, wet-behind-the-ears tyros" or other
blabbering to me you and JIMMIE Miccolis have done. I am
a United States Amateur Extra class amateur licensee by a
grant from the United States Federal Communications
Commission. I took and passed all the required tests in one
license exam session, thus qualifying for the colloquial
ham radio expression of "Extra out of the box."

YOU don't like that. MICCOLIS doesn't like that. Both of
you think I should have "tested for International Morse
Code cognition" during my amateur license exam. Sorry,
but that wasn't a legal requirement.

No matter, both of you would have tried to PUT ME DOWN
because the old code test rate was only 5 WPM and you
"masters of radio operating" can do much faster code. :-)

Heh, the actual test-and-passing wouldn't have made any
change in your Gratenesses' attempts at put-downs. You both
have been doing that since before and after I tested-and-
passed! :-) Only your steamed Gratenesses' words were
interchanged slightly before and after my test. :-)



To CHANGE MY MIND, I'd had to have made the statement that
hot-ham-and-cheese attributed to me. His big dilemma is that I didn't
make such a statement.

Then WHO writes all your postings for you?

An alternate personality? [getting to be more like The
Robesin every day...]

If YOU - or whoever is impersonating you - writes a
statement in here, then whatever you write "is attributed
to you."

Is that too complex for you to understand?


Oh! But NOT in amateur radio newsgroups! No, NEVER, according
to Miccolis! Once one says something, regardless of how long
ago, to Miccolis that is a LIFE GOAL Never To Be Changed!

You've been caught with your brogans in your yap on a number of
occasions, "Anderson". A smarter being probably wouldn't bring further
attention to himself by braying about it.

If MICCOLIS were MORE CIVIL he wouldn't constantly be bringing
up OLD arguments, OLD postings, that were dropped by others long
ago. Neither would he be trying to MANUFACTURE "errors" and
"facts" OUT OF CONTEXT. You do that also, but JIMMIE Miccolis
makes it a de facto career.


Sort of like "Heil's Way or the highway." :-)

The Air Force technical schools award one the "3" skill level, an
apprentice level. The Bypassed Specialist is also awarded that same
apprentice level.

God forbid the Grate Heil being an "APPRENTICE" level in
anything! :-)

Further on-the-job training along with bookwork are
the way to the journeyman or "5" level. I completed the same OJT and
study course as every other "5" level candidate. It wasn't my way or
the highway, but the Air Force way.

So you DID get the free USAF training. You said you hadn't.

Oh, my, such inconsistency in your "factual" statements!


As a "boot" is to the military, you are to amateur radio.

The United States Army does NOT use the term "boot" except
for foot apparel. "Boot" is a USN term for RECRUITS.

You want me to attend Basic Training ALL OVER AGAIN?

Stupid man, you just can't stop your attempts at put-
downs of others, can you?

Stupid man, the laws of physics work the SAME for amateur
radio as it does for ALL OTHER RADIO SERVICES. The only
"differences" lie in the (sometimes warped) mental attitudes
of others...such as yourself, plus some adminstrative
differentiations applied by the single U.S. civil radio
regulating agency, the FCC.

United States amateur radio is NOT a military or para-
military "service." It is not a craft, a guild, or union
that has "apprentice, journeyman, master" skill levels.
It isn't even a "national service." US amateur radio is
defined by the FCC for administrative purposes in
differentiating between different radio services. The
word "service" as used in all of Title 47 C.F.R. is a
regulatory term defining the type and kind of radio
activity being regulated by them.

You're green--a beginner.

You are an antagonistic asshole who can't stop trying to
put down your newsgroup "enemies" with the slightest
denigrations you can dream up.

I wrote that you're a novice in amateur radio. That is the case.
You're a neophyte, a beginner.

You've REALLY got a hard one in trying to put me down.
You ought to experience some catharsis, such as writing
Special Counsel Riley Hollingsworth about my "negligent
attitude at now taking your Grateness 'advice.'" Maybe,
with the "help" of your elected representatives, you can
force the FCC to change my license to Technician!

Or, you could get some mental counseling and LOSE your
antagoinistic I-am-superior attitude. Nobody has to
kiss YOUR ass, salute you, or give up their seat on the
amateur bus to you just because you are the Mighty Heil.


I fully accept that
you've passed requisite exams currently in place for the Amateur Extra.

Tsk, you had to add the qualifier "currently in place!" :-)

Why would anyone HAVE to pass requisite exams for any
OTHER era?

How could anyone possibly pass requisite exams for a
FUTURE era?

I obeyed the LAW. I passed. In ONE EXAM SESSION.


You've been issued a license.

NO! I was GRANTED an amateur radio license by the FCC.

If you must be the irritating, anatagonistic asshole about
WORDS, try to use the CORRECT ones!

I couldn't find anything above where I commented on your age.

Tsk, tsk! You've done that consistently, old man.

You now have an amateur radio license.

Amateur Extra class.

Yes, it complements the First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial)
Operators License I was granted in March, 1956, and kept
renewed until FCC regulations changed to make it a "GROL"
with NO renewals necessary.

Use it and gain some experience in amateur radio.

Is that a COMMAND, your Grateness?

Believe it or not, individuals are allowed a great freedom
to do what THEY want, not what you "command."

I will DO with MY amateur radio license what *I* choose to
do...always keeping within the letter and spirit of the LAW
(not working Frenchmen out of band on 6m).


I BEGAN in big-time radio...

snip of irrelevant reruns

Exactly WHAT is "irrelevant" about MY life experience, your
Grateness? Other than my being a perceived newsgroup "enemy"
of yours?

The US Army didn't have - or allow - any "skipping of (union-
grade) levels." I went to my assigned Signal School and
learned my military occupation specialty. I was assigned to
the third-largest US Army radio communications transmitter
site located in Tokyo. I learned to operate, maintain, and
(slightly later after arrival) to supervise fixed station
transmitters. I also learned to operate, maintain, and
supervise VHF-UHF radio relay equipment other than the
microwave radio relay equipment. I also tried to learn all
I could about communications, taking advantage of the
situation. That station DID operate "24/7" and all (not on
authorized leave) were available 24/7.

Heil and Miccolis really OVERWORK their look-down-their-noses
attitude of "beginners."

I congratulate you on your brand new amateur radio license.

You act the contemptible HYPOCRITE, Heil. You've spent a
long, long message trying to put me down through all of it.
Now you try the "nice-nice" route with the "congratulations."

You are about as two-faced a Janus as I've ever met.

Keep your ears and eyes open and you may learn a great deal.

Keep YOUR mouth and keyboard SHUT once in a while and YOU
might learn to be a civil human being.

That attitude won't help you in gaining experience in amateur radio.

See, the WRONG side of the Janus face gets all the attention
and it MUST mouth off with "advice."

The fact is that you are a beginner in amateur radio.

The "fact" is that you are an asshole of a human being
wannabe, Heil.

You have much to learn.

YOU have MUCH MUCH MORE to learn about getting along with
others. OFF radio.

You aren't an instant expert, Len.

I don't pretend to be. Why do YOU pretend to be an "expert?"

Other than with morse code mode communications, that is.

You come back ONLY when you've had PART of the experience
I've had in OTHER radio services, INCLUDING radio as used
by the Department of Defense in various contracting jobs
(NO license necessary).

Don't try to snow the other hams with your "State Departement"
radio officer stuff. You were a civilian government
employee (regardless of the fancy-schmancy Title you love
to drop) for under 20 years. Your Big Claim is BEING DX
for radio amateurs through your posting in Finland and
African countries. Did the FCC post you there? Did the
ARRL send you there? NO to both. So try being a HUMAN
BEING. It must be hard for you to do that, but TRY.

You are NOT in "command." You have NO "authority." Try
to remember that next time you use your "authority" to
"command" others to do something, anything.

AF6AY