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			"Hans K0HB"  wrote in messageom...
 "Kim W5TIT"  wrote
 
 
 
 The term "******" (excuse me, to anyone who is offended
 by that word--me included) isn't derogatory until some
 bigoted person uses it against another person, either.
 No hazard, at all, in being honest.
 
 
 Of course it's derogatory, no matter who uses the word.
 
 True story.....
 
 In the winter of 2001/02 K0CKB and I were vacationing in the
 southwest.  We had parked our RV in the lovely town of Big Spring,
 Texas for a couple of days, and I had my truck down at the local
 "quick lube" place for an oil change.  A local fellow also having his
 truck lubed noticed a "Sailors have more fun" bumper sticker on my
 truck, and struck up a conversation about his days in the Navy.  Like
 me, he had spent some time in the brown water Navy running PBR's in
 the Mekong, so a lively conversation ensued.  In discussing some of
 his close calls, he attributed his survival to "his big ******", who
 was one of his crewman, apparently a big man who was particularly good
 with heavy weapons.  He had liberated a 50-calibre from a wrecked
 aircraft and mounted it on the bow of the PBR in place of the lighter
 'regulation' mount, and was extremely adept at using the gun. The
 fellow cited this the single most important reason his craft had
 survived  Now in the context of the conversation it was apparent to
 everyone present that he held this crewman in VERY high regard.  Yet
 the term was patently as derogatory as if he had called the man a
 mo----f---er, a c--ks---ker, or any other demeaning name.  Two
 bystanders (not minorities) took the guy to task for his choice of
 words, and he apologized.
 
 73, de Hans, K0HB
 
 
 Hans, unfortunately, that term is freely used down here.  I've heard it from
 perfect strangers if I happen to be with the common friend of another and
 they just chat for a few minutes, to a close gathering of all friends who
 freely express that form of hatred, regardless of how they know I feel about
 it.  I have dropped three, what I thought was, very good friends in the last
 two years over this issue.  Not only the "term" but the emotion of bigotry
 *and* racism that goes along with it, is alive and well down here.
 
 I freely express disdain at the emotion of bigotry and racism and have often
 been chastised for it.  Now, among my black friends I am called that
 name--and, I admit, it still throws me when they use--but I am told over and
 over again that the use of that word "among them" is an expression of
 kindred spirit.  I still tell them I don't like it.  I tell them to call me
 by the affectionate name one of my girlfriends calls me, "Boo."
 
 I have also met blacks (and people from other ethnic groups) who are bigots
 and racists and I have just as much disdain for them.
 
 Kim W5TIT
 
 
 
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