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Based on some calculations I did today, I am offering
an original rule of thumb (as far as I know). Regarding
a coax choke, when deciding how many turns of coax to put
on a 2 liter pop bottle at two turns per inch, one needs
to avoid the self-resonant frequency. So don't put more
turns on the choke than the number of meters in a wavelength,
e.g. no more than 20 turns on 20m, no more than 6 turns on
6m. Backup calculations will be published on my web page.
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Why avoid the self-resonant frequency?

That's the frequency at which the choking impedance is a maximum.
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Cec,

Suppose you havn't got a pop bottle but only a length of plastic drain
pipe of different diameter.

You will need a different rule of thumb for every contingency.
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Reg Edwards wrote:
Suppose you havn't got a pop bottle but only a length of plastic drain
pipe of different diameter.


Then I use my EXCEL spreadsheet which allows variation
in the number of turns per inch and diameter of the coil.
If you would like a copy, it can be downloaded from

http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp/Corum1.xls

You will need a different rule of thumb for every contingency.


2 liter pop bottles are in abundance in the US. If a coil
form is used for a coax choke, that's the most likely.
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Cecil Moore wrote:
Reg Edwards wrote:

Suppose you havn't got a pop bottle but only a length of plastic drain
pipe of different diameter.



Then I use my EXCEL spreadsheet which allows variation
in the number of turns per inch and diameter of the coil.
If you would like a copy, it can be downloaded from

http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp/Corum1.xls

You will need a different rule of thumb for every contingency.



2 liter pop bottles are in abundance in the US. If a coil
form is used for a coax choke, that's the most likely.


But then you have to drink 2 liters of wet, sticky, gooey, sickeningly
sweet, soda pop.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH


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I like to drink soda water from 2l bottles with a splash of lemon
juice; sounding pretty good right now given that it's 97F in Maryland
and the weather this week is, as per the NWS, "Excessive Heat"

Dan


But then you have to drink 2 liters of wet, sticky, gooey, sickeningly
sweet, soda pop.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH


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Tom Donaly wrote:
2 liter pop bottles are in abundance in the US. If a coil
form is used for a coax choke, that's the most likely.


But then you have to drink 2 liters of wet, sticky, gooey, sickeningly
sweet, soda pop.


Lipton and Nestea tea also come in those bottles as does
lots of sugar free diet stuff.
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On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:17:04 GMT, "Tom Donaly"
wrote:

But then you have to drink 2 liters of wet, sticky, gooey, sickeningly
sweet, soda pop.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH


Or look in the nearest garbage can or dumpster. Of course, there are
two liter bottles of water as well.

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Tom Donaly wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:

Reg Edwards wrote:

2 liter pop bottles are in abundance in the US. If a coil
form is used for a coax choke, that's the most likely.



But then you have to drink 2 liters of wet, sticky, gooey, sickeningly
sweet, soda pop.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH


We get 'sparkling water' in 2l bottles because we like the fizzy feel to
our beverages. They also have club soda and soda water in 2l bottles.

Keep cool,
Galen, W8LNA
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Reg Edwards wrote:
Why avoid the self-resonant frequency?
That's the frequency at which the choking impedance is a maximum.


Personal preference - I would rather the choking impedance
be at maximum reactance rather than at maximum resistance.
I think that saves a little bit of power.
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