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Michael Coslo wrote:
Okay Cecil. I apologize, for I have upset you, quite a bit it appears. You haven't upset me, Mike. Hillary Clinton, Fidel Castro, and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad upset me because they believe my life belongs to the state. You don't believe that, do you? -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 07:24:41 GMT, "Tom Donaly"
wrote: Richard, he's a Libertarian. You have to expect sentences like that from Libertarians. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH (P.S. Cecil is a Libertarian, too.) Hi Tom, I've probably voted for more Libertarians on one ballot than either of them in their lives. We need more genetic diversity in the political gene pool. Problem is those parties don't work nearly hard enough to build a grass-roots. Umm, I should ammend that and say they don't work at all to do it. Third parties are invariably so self-centered that they want to start at the top (notably Lyndon Larouche). Unfortunately, courtesy of W we now have an example of how that turns out when the most left wing fascist elements put their man in at the top, and the right wing has voted in politburo lock-step to advanced the party planks of Leon Trotsky. All Larouche needs to learn is how to haul down the flag, and start waving bacon. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 13:16:41 -0400, "Fred Hambrecht"
wrote: I still await an explanation of how freon, that is heavier than air, manages to make it to the South pole and finds the magical propert to climb to the ionisphere and eat ozone. Hi Fred, Hmmm, water is heavier than air. How does it manage? Even clouds are heavier than air. Rain comes from asteroids, comets, and meteors? Dust is heavier than air, as is smoke that comes from China and lands here in Seattle. They all rise from the same mechanism - sunlight. Heat generates convection currents. Currents raise pollution that traps heat. More heat generates more convection currents. More currents raise more pollution. Arguably "more" is by slight degrees, but as any capitalist knows, compound interest is where the money (pollution) is, and most technicians have had experience with Thermal Runaway. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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Damn Richard, I totally forgot about all the heat rising at the South pole.
Thank you ever so much for correcting my ignorance... I should know better than to belive that right wing publishing company, of the running dog capitalists, the New York Times. Their Discovery channel that went to great lengths to explain why there were no clouds and rarely any snow at the south pole. Let me give you an easier one, how did the freon get across the doldrums? More magical properties? History will note the second dark ages as the period when academics was corrupeted by money and politics of the left. We on the otherhand are blessed to live during this era of junk science. "Richard Clark" wrote in message ... On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 13:16:41 -0400, "Fred Hambrecht" wrote: I still await an explanation of how freon, that is heavier than air, manages to make it to the South pole and finds the magical propert to climb to the ionisphere and eat ozone. Hi Fred, Hmmm, water is heavier than air. How does it manage? Even clouds are heavier than air. Rain comes from asteroids, comets, and meteors? Dust is heavier than air, as is smoke that comes from China and lands here in Seattle. They all rise from the same mechanism - sunlight. Heat generates convection currents. Currents raise pollution that traps heat. More heat generates more convection currents. More currents raise more pollution. Arguably "more" is by slight degrees, but as any capitalist knows, compound interest is where the money (pollution) is, and most technicians have had experience with Thermal Runaway. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 15:18:42 -0400, "Fred Hambrecht"
wrote: Damn Richard, I totally forgot about all the heat rising at the South pole. Thank you ever so much for correcting my ignorance... Hi Fred, You thought heat falls over the South Pole? Curious, but correction was necessary, obviously. I should know better than to belive that right wing publishing company, of the running dog capitalists, the New York Times. Ah, more correction is necessary I see. Their Discovery channel that went to great lengths to explain why there were no clouds and rarely any snow at the south pole. Their's? (The NYT's?) More correction in that the Times has a program, Discovery Times on the Discovery Channel. Discovery Channel, on the other hand, is from the Discovery Communications conglomerate which includes that ultra-liberal Military Channel which was formerly Discovery Wings. Let me give you an easier one, how did the freon get across the doldrums? More magical properties? Doldrums, like the depression currently encountered by voters with the current administration? Or Doldrums as in the Horse Latitudes, trade winds and all that lower atmosphere stuff that resides below the Ozone layer that Freon (CFCs) has been eroding? Let's see, you put together CFCs, Ozone, and ionizing radiation where it is (and not where it ain't) and you punch a hole from the combination. I suppose if the earth's magnetic poles were situated in Morocco and Hawaii (the east and west pole?); then the stream of ionization radiation from the sun, combining with the far richer CFC and Ozone combination above the equator would have holes in the ionosphere the size of Mars, instead of the size of the United States. History will note the second dark ages as the period when academics was corrupeted by money and politics of the left. We on the otherhand are blessed to live during this era of junk science. What are the medical insurance coverages for Creationist science carcinoma treatment? 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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Cecil Moore wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote: Okay Cecil. I apologize, for I have upset you, quite a bit it appears. You haven't upset me, Mike. Hillary Clinton, Fidel Castro, and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad upset me because they believe my life belongs to the state. You don't believe that, do you? Heck No! Just when you wrote that back to my reply to whatever post I replied to , it looked like you were p****d at me. Okay, I'll reset. - 73 DE MIKE KB3EIA - |
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Richard Clark wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 13:16:41 -0400, "Fred Hambrecht" wrote: I still await an explanation of how freon, that is heavier than air, manages to make it to the South pole and finds the magical propert to climb to the ionisphere and eat ozone. Hi Fred, Hmmm, water is heavier than air. How does it manage? Even clouds are heavier than air. Rain comes from asteroids, comets, and meteors? Dust is heavier than air, as is smoke that comes from China and lands here in Seattle. They all rise from the same mechanism - sunlight. Heat generates convection currents. Currents raise pollution that traps heat. More heat generates more convection currents. More currents raise more pollution. Arguably "more" is by slight degrees, but as any capitalist knows, compound interest is where the money (pollution) is, and most technicians have had experience with Thermal Runaway. Another way of looking at it is that Freon is indeed heavier than air. So is dust, so is salt, so is ice. All these things can reach high into the atmosphere. We know when spring plowing happens in China, because a fair amount of dust reaches us. Well, that freon is a lot lighter than the dust. It can be stirred up by the wind, which is derived from sunlight. Salt spray can also be measured in the stratosphere, and it is much much heavier than Freon. - 73 de Mike KB3EIA - |
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Fred Hambrecht wrote:
REDACTED I still await an explanation of how freon, that is heavier than air, manages to make it to the South pole and finds the magical propert to climb to the ionisphere and eat ozone. CO2 is also heavier than air, about 1.5 X air [at standard conditions]. What's missing from the observation are the effects of a turbulent atmosphere and the specific heat of both freon and CO2 molecules, among others. In the absence of solar heating and air turbulence both CO2 and FREON would be hugging the earth's surface and we most likely would not be here [suffocated]. I'm not an atmospheric physicist, but I expect that both CO2 and Freon have three dimensional motion. They absorb energy from the sun at different rates [their specific heats and photon absorption cross sections are significantly different] and expand [become lighter in terms of grams/m^3 @ p=cons.]. Air also absorbs energy from the sun and expands. The three expansion rates are different and cause a 'general' lift to the individual gases. This 'lift' is not laminar, and therefore contributes to a turbulent atmosphere [AKA wind]. As part of the turbulent flow the heavier molecules are lifted to higher altitudes where they expand further [become lighter in terms of grams/M^3][Similar to clouds]. Eventually, the lift has insufficient buoyancy to sustain the heavier molecules and they start a drift back to earth. Some return to earth level. Others are caught in the updraft and re-cycle to a higher altitude [similar to a vortex phenomena]. My hypothesis, and qualitative description, would lead to a conclusion that a band, a thick layer, a region [similar to the E or F regions we are familiar with] of turbulent heavy gases of varying density forms above the sensible atmosphere and exhibits turbulent rotation similar to a vortex. I'm ignorant here and this is just a hypothesis. If we have any atmospheric physicists or meteorologists on the list I would love to be properly instructed. /s/ DD, W1MCE |
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Dave wrote:
Tom Donaly wrote: SNIPPED Richard, he's a Libertarian. You have to expect sentences like that from Libertarians. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH (P.S. Cecil is a Libertarian, too.) Libertarian = Anarchy rules! Democratic = Tyranny of the majority rules! Republican = Strong private sector economy rules! In S. America it is known as Oligarchy Socialist = Elitist know what's best for you and me. Green Party = Nature rules, the hell with people. Conservationist = Dinosaur's rule. /s/ DD |
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Fred Hambrecht wrote:
The "sky is falling folks" also fail to take into account the nutation of the earth that causes the earth to be tilted towards the sun a bit more... Kinda like the difference between winter and summer tilt. It takes one hell of an ego to think that puny man can affect the earths climate. PUNY MAN? I still await an explanation of how freon, that is heavier than air, manages to make it to the South pole and finds the magical propert to climb to the ionisphere and eat ozone. See a first-year Chemistry textbook for details Remember free-radicals? (not the jailed ones of the '60's) Free radical Cl. can and does enter the atmosphere and it is a product of the dissociation of freon. This is what destroys the ozone, IIRC. Hoping my college course memory isn't too far off target. |
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Richard Clark wrote:
Hi Tom, I've probably voted for more Libertarians on one ballot than either of them in their lives. We need more genetic diversity in the political gene pool. Problem is those parties don't work nearly hard enough to build a grass-roots. Umm, I should ammend that and say they don't work at all to do it. Based on what you said during the last election, I find it tough to believe you have ever voted anything but the D line. Unless I am mixing you up with someone else, you went out and bribed street people to vote 2 years ago. Third parties are invariably so self-centered that they want to start at the top (notably Lyndon Larouche). Unfortunately, courtesy of W we now have an example of how that turns out when the most left wing fascist elements put their man in at the top, and the right wing has voted in politburo lock-step to advanced the party planks of Leon Trotsky. All Larouche needs to learn is how to haul down the flag, and start waving bacon. You are correct to a certain extent on the 3rd party candidates, our home grown idiot, Jesse "The Mind" (his nickname for himself during the election) Ventura is a prime example. He "started" a 3rd party here, and dumped it after he got the governorship. He was as bad a governor as we've had, but since they've all been Democrats, including the Republicans, that's not surprising. Both of the major parties are corrupt and don't give a rat's ass what the electorate wants once the votes are cast. There isn't a gnat's whisker difference between them when you look at what gets into law. On the court appointees, on the other hand, I might agree they are different. I will still vote for anyone but the big 2. Any vote for them is wasted, any vote for anyone but them will at least show that some of us want change. A vote for a Republicrat is a wasted vote. It just keeps the current crap in place. tom K0TAR |
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Richard Clark wrote:
Hi Fred, Hmmm, water is heavier than air. How does it manage? Even clouds are heavier than air. Rain comes from asteroids, comets, and meteors? Dust is heavier than air, as is smoke that comes from China and lands here in Seattle. They all rise from the same mechanism - sunlight. Heat generates convection currents. Currents raise pollution that traps heat. More heat generates more convection currents. More currents raise more pollution. Arguably "more" is by slight degrees, but as any capitalist knows, compound interest is where the money (pollution) is, and most technicians have had experience with Thermal Runaway. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC And here we agree. People that ignore scientific facts are, what's that word? tom K0TAR |
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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:51:53 -0500, Tom Ring
wrote: Based on what you said during the last election, I find it tough to believe you have ever voted anything but the D line. Unless I am mixing you up with someone else, you went out and bribed street people to vote 2 years ago. Tom, Tom, Tom, Is there some Libertarian weed you've been smoking? You can read tea leaves (leave aside ballots, because only Diebold machines can report that) on the basis of what is "said?" I'm afraid you are running a distant last against votes penned by me for low these 36 years. As far as street people, no, I listened to them gush on about how they were going to vote for W. One fellow came up to me and leaned on my ear for an hour telling me how he was a soldier of fortune for Milosivic (OK, so I misspelled Ossama) in Bosnia (or Herzogovina or Toxiana) and fully expected to see W in another term. Then he and the rest would try to bum change (if that is what you mean by bribe), or a cigarette, and then left their empties nearby to take a dump in the alley. They only differ from Rush Limburger by not being as fat, and they couldn't afford to shop doctors for prescription dope. What was supremely ironic is that the state Republican party fought tooth and nail to evict them from the voting booth. Talk about taking the poison pill for the sake of political purity, this is like a Jim Jones kool-aid party to me. No doubt, two years hence in the next election cycle I will be remembered as volunteering to hand out cyanide pills at the polling station. Would you care to be a reference so I can apply early? 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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Richard Clark wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:51:53 -0500, Tom Ring wrote: Based on what you said during the last election, I find it tough to believe you have ever voted anything but the D line. Unless I am mixing you up with someone else, you went out and bribed street people to vote 2 years ago. Tom, Tom, Tom, Is there some Libertarian weed you've been smoking? You can read tea leaves (leave aside ballots, because only Diebold machines can report that) on the basis of what is "said?" I'm afraid you are running a distant last against votes penned by me for low these 36 years. As far as street people, no, I listened to them gush on about how they were going to vote for W. One fellow came up to me and leaned on my ear for an hour telling me how he was a soldier of fortune for Milosivic (OK, so I misspelled Ossama) in Bosnia (or Herzogovina or Toxiana) and fully expected to see W in another term. Then he and the rest would try to bum change (if that is what you mean by bribe), or a cigarette, and then left their empties nearby to take a dump in the alley. They only differ from Rush Limburger by not being as fat, and they couldn't afford to shop doctors for prescription dope. What was supremely ironic is that the state Republican party fought tooth and nail to evict them from the voting booth. Talk about taking the poison pill for the sake of political purity, this is like a Jim Jones kool-aid party to me. No doubt, two years hence in the next election cycle I will be remembered as volunteering to hand out cyanide pills at the polling station. Would you care to be a reference so I can apply early? 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Most of the street people around here are very conservative. I once knew a homeless fellow who testified at a county supervisors meeting against doing more for the homeless because it would bring in the riff-raff from other counties. The drunken homeless, as opposed to the merely homeless, talk a conservative line because they think most people are conservative, and are more likely to give alms to a fellow Republican than to a traitorous Democrat. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH |
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Cecil Moore wrote:
Dave wrote: Libertarian = Anarchy rules! From: http://www.lp.org/article_85.shtml What is a Libertarian? I think the Barney Protocol needs to be reviewed: Barney Miller is a socialist Barney Fife is a fascist ***Barney Rubble is a libertarian*** and (this just in)... Barney Google has joined the Republican Party |
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We must always remember the #1 rule for POLITICIANS: "In everything you do,
ALWAYS campaign for re-election." A politicians #1 job is to get re-elected! Trying to contribute to the public good means making political decisions, and political decisions make political enemies and possible loss of an election. Therefore, follow the 2nd rule for POLITICIANS: "Say YES to everyone as you campaign, but vote for nothing that is controversial." /s/ DD Tom Ring wrote: Richard Clark wrote: Hi Tom, I've probably voted for more Libertarians on one ballot than either of them in their lives. We need more genetic diversity in the political gene pool. Problem is those parties don't work nearly hard enough to build a grass-roots. Umm, I should ammend that and say they don't work at all to do it. Based on what you said during the last election, I find it tough to believe you have ever voted anything but the D line. Unless I am mixing you up with someone else, you went out and bribed street people to vote 2 years ago. Third parties are invariably so self-centered that they want to start at the top (notably Lyndon Larouche). Unfortunately, courtesy of W we now have an example of how that turns out when the most left wing fascist elements put their man in at the top, and the right wing has voted in politburo lock-step to advanced the party planks of Leon Trotsky. All Larouche needs to learn is how to haul down the flag, and start waving bacon. You are correct to a certain extent on the 3rd party candidates, our home grown idiot, Jesse "The Mind" (his nickname for himself during the election) Ventura is a prime example. He "started" a 3rd party here, and dumped it after he got the governorship. He was as bad a governor as we've had, but since they've all been Democrats, including the Republicans, that's not surprising. Both of the major parties are corrupt and don't give a rat's ass what the electorate wants once the votes are cast. There isn't a gnat's whisker difference between them when you look at what gets into law. On the court appointees, on the other hand, I might agree they are different. I will still vote for anyone but the big 2. Any vote for them is wasted, any vote for anyone but them will at least show that some of us want change. A vote for a Republicrat is a wasted vote. It just keeps the current crap in place. tom K0TAR |
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Richard Clark wrote:
Tom, Tom, Tom, Is there some Libertarian weed you've been smoking? You can read tea leaves (leave aside ballots, because only Diebold machines can report that) on the basis of what is "said?" I'm afraid you are running a distant last against votes penned by me for low these 36 years. As far as street people, no, I listened to them gush on about how they were going to vote for W. One fellow came up to me and leaned on my ear for an hour telling me how he was a soldier of fortune for Milosivic (OK, so I misspelled Ossama) in Bosnia (or Herzogovina or Toxiana) and fully expected to see W in another term. Then he and the rest would try to bum change (if that is what you mean by bribe), or a cigarette, and then left their empties nearby to take a dump in the alley. They only differ from Rush Limburger by not being as fat, and they couldn't afford to shop doctors for prescription dope. What was supremely ironic is that the state Republican party fought tooth and nail to evict them from the voting booth. Talk about taking the poison pill for the sake of political purity, this is like a Jim Jones kool-aid party to me. No doubt, two years hence in the next election cycle I will be remembered as volunteering to hand out cyanide pills at the polling station. Would you care to be a reference so I can apply early? 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Richard, Richard, Richard. Talking points, talking points, talking points. All you Republicrats have is talking points. You avoided even responding to anything I said. Typical Republicrat. And you seem to be stuck on "smoking" things. Do you have a problem you'd like to talk about? tom K0TAR |
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Tom Ring wrote:
Richard Clark wrote: Tom, Tom, Tom, Richard, Richard, Richard. Tom,-Richard, Tom-Richard, Tom-Richard.... In this imperfect world, one is perhaps foolish to expect perfection. I don't-you shouldn't. While we all accuse each other of being Democreeps, or Republi-cant's, or even perhaps the ultimate pejorative - Liberal, it is perhaps a more realistic expectation to just settle for competency. That would be kewl. - 73 de Mike KB3EIA - |
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Tom Donaly wrote:
The drunken homeless, as opposed to the merely homeless, talk a conservative line because they think most people are conservative, I just kind of thought that was how they were, Tom! - 73 de Mike KB3EIA - |
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jawod wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote: Dave wrote: Libertarian = Anarchy rules! From: http://www.lp.org/article_85.shtml What is a Libertarian? I think the Barney Protocol needs to be reviewed: Barney Miller is a socialist Barney Fife is a fascist ***Barney Rubble is a libertarian*** Doggonit, soda out the nose and a mess to clean up! Good one! and (this just in)... Barney Google has joined the Republican Party - 73 de Mike KB3EIA - |
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Mike Coslo wrote:
and (this just in)... Barney Google has joined the Republican Party - 73 de Mike KB3EIA - Sorry, not possible! The google.com boys are way left of the Ben and Jerry crowd. ;) tom K0TAR |
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:21:06 -0500, Tom Ring
wrote: All you Republicrats have is talking points. Let's see, you've swung me from voting a straight democratic ticket (how could you possibly know) to Republican (crat notwithstanding) and you wonder why I ask about your smoking habit? You avoided even responding to anything I said. Typical Republicrat. "Typical" is fulfilled by the source, you brought out the usual Karl Rove baiting technique about bribing street people, I responded at quite some length specifically and factually. Do you suffer from Teflon memory (Libertarian short attention span) disorder? And you seem to be stuck on "smoking" things. Do you have a problem you'd like to talk about? W's crack habit? We've gone from a president that didn't inhale to one who couldn't exhale. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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perhaps the ultimate pejorative - Liberal,
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Richard Clark wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:21:06 -0500, Tom Ring wrote: All you Republicrats have is talking points. Republicrat is a Republican or Democrat. I thought you were sharp enough to catch that. My bad. tom K0TAR |
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Richard Clark wrote:
"Typical" is fulfilled by the source, you brought out the usual Karl Rove baiting technique about bribing street people, I responded at quite some length specifically and factually. Do you suffer from Teflon memory (Libertarian short attention span) disorder? You read waaaay to much into statements. Paranoia maybe? W's crack habit? We've gone from a president that didn't inhale to one who couldn't exhale. You also seem to have a problem with berating those you are corresponding with, as well as politicians. Politicians that I never referred to. You have serious issues. tom K0TAR |
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