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I got a tube of GB Ox-Gard OX-100 to coat the sections of my Butternut HF9V
vertical as I assemble it. I looked on both the tube, the packaging, and the GB
website, but none of them indicate whether the product is silicone grease based
or petroleum grease based. Does anyone out there know ???
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On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 23:38:34 GMT, (Ron in
NY) wrote:

I got a tube of GB Ox-Gard OX-100 to coat the sections of my Butternut HF9V
vertical as I assemble it. I looked on both the tube, the packaging, and the GB
website, but none of them indicate whether the product is silicone grease based
or petroleum grease based. Does anyone out there know ???

In this country, there is regulation that requires availability of a
Material Safety Data Sheet (which contains such information), and they
are on a public web site. Perhaps you have similar arrangements in
your jurisdiction.

Owen
--

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In article ,
Owen Duffy wrote:

I got a tube of GB Ox-Gard OX-100 to coat the sections of my Butternut HF9V
vertical as I assemble it. I looked on both the tube, the packaging, and the GB
website, but none of them indicate whether the product is silicone grease based
or petroleum grease based. Does anyone out there know ???

In this country, there is regulation that requires availability of a
Material Safety Data Sheet (which contains such information), and they
are on a public web site. Perhaps you have similar arrangements in
your jurisdiction.

I just located an MSDS for Ox-Gard via a web search, and it's quite
unrevealing. It doesn't identify the ingredients except to say that
they're non-toxic, and it doesn't identify a flash point. It did say
that combustion could release CO2 and aldehydes.

--
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Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
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On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 23:56:26 GMT, Owen Duffy wrote:

On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 23:38:34 GMT, (Ron in
NY) wrote:

I got a tube of GB Ox-Gard OX-100 to coat the sections of my Butternut HF9V
vertical as I assemble it. I looked on both the tube, the packaging, and the GB
website, but none of them indicate whether the product is silicone grease based
or petroleum grease based. Does anyone out there know ???

In this country, there is regulation that requires availability of a
Material Safety Data Sheet (which contains such information), and they
are on a public web site. Perhaps you have similar arrangements in
your jurisdiction.

Hi Owen,

That information has been considered a secret that is vital to the
interests of the United States of the Republican Party and is on the
list of items not allowed on board airplanes, nor to be transported by
skateboard across the border of any state contiguously bordering
Texas, except Venezuela. Those Data Sheets have been removed from the
public archive by the CIA so as to eliminate any possibility of this
newly classified material falling into the hands of terrorists.

Don't ask us about toothpaste or the FBI's network monitoring will
kick into mauve alert level.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:23:23 -0700, Richard Clark
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 23:56:26 GMT, Owen Duffy wrote:

On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 23:38:34 GMT, (Ron in
NY) wrote:

I got a tube of GB Ox-Gard OX-100 to coat the sections of my Butternut HF9V
vertical as I assemble it. I looked on both the tube, the packaging, and the GB
website, but none of them indicate whether the product is silicone grease based
or petroleum grease based. Does anyone out there know ???

In this country, there is regulation that requires availability of a
Material Safety Data Sheet (which contains such information), and they
are on a public web site. Perhaps you have similar arrangements in
your jurisdiction.

Hi Owen,

That information has been considered a secret that is vital to the
interests of the United States of the Republican Party and is on the
list of items not allowed on board airplanes, nor to be transported by
skateboard across the border of any state contiguously bordering
Texas, except Venezuela. Those Data Sheets have been removed from the
public archive by the CIA so as to eliminate any possibility of this
newly classified material falling into the hands of terrorists.

Don't ask us about toothpaste or the FBI's network monitoring will
kick into mauve alert level.

Oh well, it was worth a try.

What I didn't add, was that you may need to be a chemist to work out
what the components are, or to use Dave's hints and work out what is
in it that produces those combustion products.

I was just chatting with a friend who lugged his 2m gear up on a
mountain top here in the national capital to work some AE DX.

A newspaper reporter noticed him and came back with camera to do a
story. I don't know if the public will understand that although he is
using directional apparatus to bound electromagnetic radiation off
passenger aircraft, that it is truly safe for all involved.

Wait a minute, no one has been able to prove radio frequency EM
radiation to be safe, have they?

Owen
--

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Dave Platt wrote:
It did say that combustion could release CO2 ...

Al Gore will get you for that!
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
. com...
Dave Platt wrote:
It did say that combustion could release CO2 ...

Al Gore will get you for that!
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

My cousin is a Dairy Farmer in PA.
His cows produce more CO2 per hour
than three GMC Pickup trucks running
at idle for the same time period. Wonder how
Mr Goore would address this problem?
Diapers for cows perhaps? (grin)

Back on topic however, when you get back to the office
next week, just place a call to the mfgr of the product and
ask him to FAX or e-mail you a .pdf file copy of the
Product MSDS sheet. Tell them you're using it at your place
of employment for anti-corrosion usages for commercial
antenna installations and your ISO:9000-2000 Internal
Quality Procedures Manual mandates that all products have
an MSDS sheet on file. I use this 'method' all the time and
it seems to work. : )

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Soak a bit up with a piece of paper or cardboard and light it with a
match, and you'll have the answer in seconds. Petroleum based grease
will burn like crazy but silicone based grease won't.

But why do you need to know?

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Ron in NY wrote:
I got a tube of GB Ox-Gard OX-100 to coat the sections of my Butternut HF9V
vertical as I assemble it. I looked on both the tube, the packaging, and the GB
website, but none of them indicate whether the product is silicone grease based
or petroleum grease based. Does anyone out there know ???
================================================== ======
Remove the ZZZ from my E-mail address to send me E-mail.

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Cecil Moore wrote:

Dave Platt wrote:

It did say that combustion could release CO2 ...


Al Gore will get you for that!

Yeah! The Almighty Politicians!

Everytime I exhale [CO2 and H2O vapor] I raise the CO2 polution level. We simply
have to pass a law outlawing exhaling without using a catalytic converter.

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Mr. Presumptive wrote:
My cousin is a Dairy Farmer in PA.
His cows produce more CO2 per hour
than three GMC Pickup trucks running
at idle for the same time period. Wonder how
Mr Goore would address this problem?
Diapers for cows perhaps? (grin)

The Space Shuttle is equipped with CO2 scrubbers.
Just install one per cow.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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Dave wrote:
Everytime I exhale [CO2 and H2O vapor] I raise the CO2 polution level.
We simply have to pass a law outlawing exhaling without using a
catalytic converter.

Did you know it was human campfires that caused global
warming and brought us out of the last ice age?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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Mr. Presumptive wrote:
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
. com...

Dave Platt wrote:

It did say that combustion could release CO2 ...

Al Gore will get you for that!
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp


My cousin is a Dairy Farmer in PA.
His cows produce more CO2 per hour
than three GMC Pickup trucks running
at idle for the same time period. Wonder how
Mr Goore would address this problem?
Diapers for cows perhaps? (grin)


Methane, Dave.

I won't say that global warming is happening or not. However, the
science is sound regarding CO2, methane, and other gases that tend to
retain heat in the atmosphere. The relationship between these levels and
heat retention is fact.

Perhaps there are mitigating factors going on. Perhaps ocean life can
sequester the excess CO2, perhaps something else?

Instead of picking on "Mr Goore", perhaps you folks that know better
can provide scientific evidence of the mechanisms that are countering
the so called "greenhouse effects.

8^)


Back on topic however, when you get back to the office
next week, just place a call to the mfgr of the product and
ask him to FAX or e-mail you a .pdf file copy of the
Product MSDS sheet. Tell them you're using it at your place
of employment for anti-corrosion usages for commercial
antenna installations and your ISO:9000-2000 Internal
Quality Procedures Manual mandates that all products have
an MSDS sheet on file. I use this 'method' all the time and
it seems to work. : )


A nice Ox-Gard page:


http://www.olypen.com/craigh/oxgard.htm


But cannot find an msds 8^(


- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

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Mike Coslo wrote:
I won't say that global warming is happening or not.

Of course, global warming is happening. It has been
going on for tens of thousands of years and happens
every time the earth cyclically emerges from an ice
age as it is doing now.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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Cecil Moore wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

I won't say that global warming is happening or not.


Of course, global warming is happening. It has been
going on for tens of thousands of years and happens
every time the earth cyclically emerges from an ice
age as it is doing now.


I'm speaking of CO2 based global warming, whether as the results of say
volcanic activity, or as a result of the amount of CO2 added to the
atmosphere as a result of combustion release.


May I assume that you believe that glacial cycles are the sole source
of global warming or cooling?

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

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Mike Coslo wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:

I won't say that global warming is happening or not.



Of course, global warming is happening. It has been
going on for tens of thousands of years and happens
every time the earth cyclically emerges from an ice
age as it is doing now.



I'm speaking of CO2 based global warming, whether as the results of
say volcanic activity, or as a result of the amount of CO2 added to the
atmosphere as a result of combustion release.


May I assume that you believe that glacial cycles are the sole
source of global warming or cooling?

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -



Hey, Mike. The truth is inconvenient for Cecil.

John

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On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:15:53 GMT, John - KD5YI
wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:

I won't say that global warming is happening or not.



Of course, global warming is happening. It has been
going on for tens of thousands of years and happens
every time the earth cyclically emerges from an ice
age as it is doing now.



I'm speaking of CO2 based global warming, whether as the results of
say volcanic activity, or as a result of the amount of CO2 added to the
atmosphere as a result of combustion release.


May I assume that you believe that glacial cycles are the sole
source of global warming or cooling?

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -



Hey, Mike. The truth is inconvenient for Cecil.

Hi John,

Cecil's answer, like those of so many politicians, embraces a faulty
premise to dismiss discussion. Imagine those same administration
savants on the upcoming 5th anniversary asking for yet another board
of enquiry for a study into the possibility of WMD in Iraq. That
didn't happen, and yet we get this interminable "Global Warming isn't
so, and it isn't from ____" (fill in the blank with any of a number of
their favorite red herrings).

What's the difference between WMD and Global Warming? What caused the
rush to Iraq, but not to the melting glaciers? Wrap a side of bacon
around Global Warming and it would be covered with Republicans like
flies on their favorite nourishment. ...perhaps if the Eskimos had
gotten to Jack Abramoff first instead of the casino Indians....

Hmmm, a thought occurred, and a little research reveals some
interesting metrics. Oil at Nymex Crude Future is at $69.19/barrel
and Evian (Mineral water from the Alps) is running for $1.69/pint.
Simple conversion reveals Evian outdistances Oil at $743.60/barrel.
Obviously I was wrong about the bacon, Global Warming has
Chateâubriand wrapped around it. I'm surprised the Pentagon hasn't
got F-35's backed up to the glaciers with their after-burners going
24/7/365. Oil-for-water! And a conversion rate that beats taking
graft for a living.

Next week, how Creation Science will have our cars running on water to
wean us from terrorist oil.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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Mike Coslo wrote:
May I assume that you believe that glacial cycles are the sole
source of global warming or cooling?

Not the sole source - just the primary source.
120,000 years ago, temperatures peaked higher
than they are presently. These cycles occur in
100k-120k year intervals. CO2 levels always
zoom up and trail off gradually during the peak
temperatures. There is some sort of feedback
mechanism that takes the CO2 levels down.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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John - KD5YI wrote:
Hey, Mike. The truth is inconvenient for Cecil.

Here's the inconvenient truth:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age

The same thing has happened five times in the past
500,000 years including a few hundred thousand years
before man ever walked the earth. Who caused the
last four global warming cycles?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 18:04:39 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Who caused the last four global warming cycles?

Who is on first, What's on second, I Don't Know's on third.

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Cecil Moore wrote:
Here's the inconvenient truth:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age

Here more from "21st Century Science and Technology"

http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.co...al_warming.pdf
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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Cecil Moore wrote:
John - KD5YI wrote:
Hey, Mike. The truth is inconvenient for Cecil.

Here's the inconvenient truth:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age

The same thing has happened five times in the past
500,000 years including a few hundred thousand years
before man ever walked the earth. Who caused the
last four global warming cycles?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

It was obviously dinosaurs driving 32 cylinder Brontosaurus MK II SUV's.

--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

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My son recently took a flight where he had to give up his toothpaste, it
might have made sense except he and the entire passenger list were each
carring M-16's with 3 clips of ammo as they returned from Iraq.

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 23:56:26 GMT, Owen Duffy wrote:

That information has been considered a secret that is vital to the
interests of the United States of the Republican Party and is on the
list of items not allowed on board airplanes, nor to be transported by
skateboard across the border of any state contiguously bordering
Texas, except Venezuela. Those Data Sheets have been removed from the
public archive by the CIA so as to eliminate any possibility of this
newly classified material falling into the hands of terrorists.

Don't ask us about toothpaste or the FBI's network monitoring will
kick into mauve alert level.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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Fred Hambrecht wrote:
My son recently took a flight where he had to give up his toothpaste, it
might have made sense except he and the entire passenger list were each
carring M-16's with 3 clips of ammo as they returned from Iraq.

A statement about the present insanity. They took
away my fingernail clippers.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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Cecil Moore wrote:
John - KD5YI wrote:

Hey, Mike. The truth is inconvenient for Cecil.


Here's the inconvenient truth:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age

The same thing has happened five times in the past
500,000 years including a few hundred thousand years
before man ever walked the earth. Who caused the
last four global warming cycles?


What are you talking about Cecil? You are presupposing that the "other"
side is saying that all global warming is due to Human activity.

It isn't. Volcanoes can belch out a lot of the stuff. There is a good
chance that methane ice at the bottom of some parts of the ocean can
"let loose" a lot of global warming material.

Of course the obvious answer to your question is "not humans".

And equally of course, the question is not relevant.

There are many answers to your question. No doubt that precession has a
lot to do with it. The Sun itself can vary. I can't imagine that the
Deccan Trap episode of volcanism didn't warm things up after the initial
cooling effect it must have had. Didn't have a thing to do with human
beings.

But your argument has a fatal flaw. That not all causes of global
warming are caused by humans does not mean that none are.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

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Mike Coslo wrote:
But your argument has a fatal flaw. That not all causes of global
warming are caused by humans does not mean that none are.

Please stop confusing inclusive assertions with exclusive
assertions.

That is NOT my argument. My argument is that it has not
been proved beyond a reasonable doubt that man has any
primary effect on global warming. "Man-causing-global-
warming" is a religion, based on faith, IMHO. In fact,
it seems more likely that man's CO2 contribution to the
atmosphere will do nothing more than hasten the next
ice age.

Take a look at the slope of the C02 buildup of 120k
years ago just before the last ice age. It is very close
to the slope of the C02 buildup of today. There is evidence
that ~280 ppmv levels of C02 triggered ice ages 120k, 240k,
340k, and 440k years ago. That's about the level of CO2
today. There is reason to believe that another ice age
is poised to happen and the Man-causing-global-warming
religion will no doubt blame man for it.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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Cecil Moore wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:

Here's the inconvenient truth:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age


Here more from "21st Century Science and Technology"

http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.co...al_warming.pdf


Some thoughts upon reading the article...

I wonder which "arm of the Milky Way" we "passed through", and what
area of "intensive star creation" we passed through. Celestial mechanics
and time-scales being what they are, the answer would (should) be obvious.

BTW, we are IN an arm of the Milky way, there are no other nearby
galaxies, save Andromeda, which although rushing toward us, is still
comfortably far away. Perhaps the Magellanic clouds?

I notice on page 56 of the article - page 6 of the he pulls out the
political trump card.

Quote from article:

"The Mann et al. papers had a political edge: They served as
a counterweight against President George W. Bush’s negative
stand toward the Kyoto Protocol as “fatally flawed,” and his
attempt to lessen the economic global catastrophe that Kyoto
would induce".

WELL! At least this fine fellow wasn't being political!!!

Sorry Cecil, as a political piece, this has some merit. As science, it
treads dangerously close to creationism.


And in the end, it fails to explain what I want all along. That is:


The effect of Differing amounts of CO2 on atmospheric thermal retention
has been a well documented fact since the 1840's. Assuming that there is
no effect on the global temperatures from combustion that releases more
CO2 into the atmosphere than would normally happen, what is the
mechanism that compensates for this release?

I've heard a few things, such as increased planktonic or increased
vegetation sequestering, but shouldn't that keep a pretty
tight, ie close control over the situation?


- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

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Richard Clark wrote:
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:15:53 GMT, John - KD5YI
wrote:


Mike Coslo wrote:

Cecil Moore wrote:


Mike Coslo wrote:


I won't say that global warming is happening or not.



Of course, global warming is happening. It has been
going on for tens of thousands of years and happens
every time the earth cyclically emerges from an ice
age as it is doing now.



I'm speaking of CO2 based global warming, whether as the results of
say volcanic activity, or as a result of the amount of CO2 added to the
atmosphere as a result of combustion release.


May I assume that you believe that glacial cycles are the sole
source of global warming or cooling?

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -



Hey, Mike. The truth is inconvenient for Cecil.


Hi John,

Cecil's answer, like those of so many politicians, embraces a faulty
premise to dismiss discussion. Imagine those same administration
savants on the upcoming 5th anniversary asking for yet another board
of enquiry for a study into the possibility of WMD in Iraq. That
didn't happen, and yet we get this interminable "Global Warming isn't
so, and it isn't from ____" (fill in the blank with any of a number of
their favorite red herrings).

And when it is finally incontrovertible, we'll have moans of
"we just didn't know at the time!"

I only hope I live long enough to see how they figure out a way to
blame it on the leeburulls!


Next week, how Creation Science will have our cars running on water to
wean us from terrorist oil.


If you have enough faith, manna, oops.. I mean fuel, will appear each
morning in your Escalade... ;^)


- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

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Cecil Moore wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

But your argument has a fatal flaw. That not all causes of global
warming are caused by humans does not mean that none are.


Please stop confusing inclusive assertions with exclusive
assertions.

That is NOT my argument. My argument is that it has not
been proved beyond a reasonable doubt that man has any
primary effect on global warming.

Please stop changing the argument to serve your own purposes, Cecil!


"Man-causing-global-
warming" is a religion, based on faith, IMHO.

Right. In your opinion.

In fact,
it seems more likely that man's CO2 contribution to the
atmosphere will do nothing more than hasten the next
ice age.

Yeah, Cecil. I read the political-crypto-scientific article in your
link. It wasn't science. It had a political premise, then tried to build
a scientific story around it. Seriously, if the solar system passed
through an arm of the Milky way with extensive star formation, which one
was it? Did an arm of the Milky way come unattached and attack our
particular arm? Celestial mechanics isn't easy to open to political
attack, at least since the Pope pardoned Galileo.

What I am trying to say is "where's the beef?"


Take a look at the slope of the C02 buildup of 120k
years ago just before the last ice age. It is very close
to the slope of the C02 buildup of today. There is evidence
that ~280 ppmv levels of C02 triggered ice ages 120k, 240k,
340k, and 440k years ago. That's about the level of CO2
today. There is reason to believe that another ice age
is poised to happen and the Man-causing-global-warming
religion will no doubt blame man for it.


Sigh... Why do I get the feeling that you are giving me some ready made
arguments for someone else's questions? I'm not arguing whether or not
man is causing global warming, or even if there is such a thing. I want
to know why an increased amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is not warming
the earth, when it should be (experimentally speaking)

No Republican, Democrat, or religion answers accepted. Just science.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

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Mike Coslo wrote:
The effect of Differing amounts of CO2 on atmospheric thermal
retention has been a well documented fact since the 1840's.

Yes, and the 11 year sunspot cycle has been a well documented
fact for thousands of years. Does puny man have any more
control over the 100K year CO2 cycle than he does over the
11 year sunspot cycle. Methinks you (and others) suffer
from delusions of grandeur. Why do you think the CO2 levels
*ALWAYS* drop after they reach ~280 ppmv? Do you think man
can do anything to block that ~100k year drop in CO2 levels?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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Mike Coslo wrote:
I
want to know why an increased amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is not
warming the earth, when it should be (experimentally speaking)

Something causes an ice age every time the CO2 level
gets up to a threshold of ~280 PPMV, approximately
what it is today.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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Cecil Moore wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

The effect of Differing amounts of CO2 on atmospheric thermal
retention has been a well documented fact since the 1840's.


Yes, and the 11 year sunspot cycle has been a well documented
fact for thousands of years. Does puny man have any more
control over the 100K year CO2 cycle than he does over the
11 year sunspot cycle.

You have time scales a tad messed up. WE don't have any control over
the log period cycles.



Methinks you (and others) suffer
from delusions of grandeur. Why do you think the CO2 levels
*ALWAYS* drop after they reach ~280 ppmv? Do you think man
can do anything to block that ~100k year drop in CO2 levels?

Cecil, you are making arguments as if I am some kind of dyed in the
wool tree huggin hippie back to the cave days left wingin' democratic
commie leebural.

And yet you haven't provided one single non-political (and not
scientifically flawed) oriented debunking of the CO2 effect upon the
atmosphere.

No delusions Cecil. I await enlightenment. You argue in the same vein
as creationists. If you wanna have an intelligent argument, fine. If
not, fine.

Tell me why the CO2 levels *ALWAYS* drop after reaching 280 ppmv. I
await. Otherwise, I'll allow you to have the last word, and continue on
your way. Science isn't a debate, despite what creationists, Anne
Coulter, and creationists think. It is how things are.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

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Mike Coslo wrote:
Tell me why the CO2 levels *ALWAYS* drop after reaching 280 ppmv.

I'm content to observe the geological record and
see that the CO2 levels have always dropped from
that value for millions of years. I also don't
know why the nucleus of an atom contains quarks.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 22:08:58 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:

I only hope I live long enough to see how they figure out a way to
blame it on the leeburulls!

Hi Mike,

You only have to wait a couple of years for the Republicans to blame
Clinton (her or him, take your pick) for W.

It'll take them a lot longer to come to terms that the Neocon agenda
was an eagerly embraced legacy of Trotskyite commies from New York. If
Republicans can't understand politics, they certainly can't be expect
to understand science.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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Cecil Moore wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

May I assume that you believe that glacial cycles are the sole source
of global warming or cooling?


Not the sole source - just the primary source.
120,000 years ago, temperatures peaked higher
than they are presently. These cycles occur in
100k-120k year intervals. CO2 levels always
zoom up and trail off gradually during the peak
temperatures. There is some sort of feedback
mechanism that takes the CO2 levels down.

Everyone, from Ronald Reaqan to George Bush, knows that trees cause
pollution. We need to listen to our leaders. They know more than we do.

GW is a convenient lie. (Bush, that is)

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Cecil Moore wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

Tell me why the CO2 levels *ALWAYS* drop after reaching 280 ppmv.


I'm content to observe the geological record and
see that the CO2 levels have always dropped from
that value for millions of years. I also don't
know why the nucleus of an atom contains quarks.


Okay, I understand now. You don't actually know, perhaps don't even
care to know, but you do know you don't like any of the proffered
explanations.

Just as a point of info, the "weak sun" solar constant during
Precambrian times is at odds with the temperatures that they were seeing
at the time - keeping in mind that "time" is a vague reference to the
warm periods.

Paleosol data indicates that CO2 concentrations were much lower than
would be needed to offset the solar constant, and that CH4 levels of 100
- 10000 ppmv would have been needed to compensate.

Sooo, CO2 levels by themselves are not a good indicator of "the whole
story". CH4 is an even stronger greenhouse gas. It's also produced by
life forms. Humans, termites, ruminants.

There is something to look into. Perhaps the regulating mechanism is
based on that? Maybe the next leeburull plot will be to take down the
bean industry by banning them! ;^)

I also don't
know why the nucleus of an atom contains quarks.

Quarks are just smaller "points" of matter that make up protons and
neutrons. Nothing mysterious there. I think part of the confusion is
over the goofy names that physicists insist on giving them.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

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Mike Coslo wrote:
Okay, I understand now. You don't actually know, perhaps don't even
care to know, but you do know you don't like any of the proffered
explanations.

I am satisfied with the geological record that contains
multiple similar cycles. Sudden global warming is always
followed by an ice age which would be particularly hard
on you damned yankees. :-)

Quarks are just smaller "points" of matter that make up protons and
neutrons.

So you don't actually know, perhaps don't even care to know,
why quarks exist? :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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Cecil Moore wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

Okay, I understand now. You don't actually know, perhaps don't even
care to know, but you do know you don't like any of the proffered
explanations.


I am satisfied with the geological record that contains
multiple similar cycles. Sudden global warming is always
followed by an ice age

Incorrect! You state "is always" when the proper statement would be
perhaps "has so far been".

But I don't know if that is even correct, because I don't know what the
definition of "sudden global warming" is.


which would be particularly hard
on you damned yankees. :-)

Brings a new meaning to Blue States......


Quarks are just smaller "points" of matter that make up protons and
neutrons.


So you don't actually know, perhaps don't even care to know,
why quarks exist? :-)

Why yes, I do care to know!

I would think that all the parts of my message that you snipped would
indicate that I am rather curious about the world around me, and yet
very skeptical of arguments that have more than one agenda.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

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Richard Clark wrote:
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 22:08:58 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:


I only hope I live long enough to see how they figure out a way to
blame it on the leeburulls!


Hi Mike,

You only have to wait a couple of years for the Republicans to blame
Clinton (her or him, take your pick) for W.

It'll take them a lot longer to come to terms that the Neocon agenda
was an eagerly embraced legacy of Trotskyite commies from New York.

As a woman acquaintance who refuses to recycle anything because "It
will just encourage the liberals", inadvertently pointed out to me,
they'll be against anything the Demoncrats are for. Kinda fell into a
trap they did... Have to find out what the leeburullls believe so that
they can not believe it.


If
Republicans can't understand politics, they certainly can't be expect
to understand science.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 15:37:56 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:

It'll take them a lot longer to come to terms that the Neocon agenda
was an eagerly embraced legacy of Trotskyite commies from New York.

As a woman acquaintance who refuses to recycle anything because "It
will just encourage the liberals", inadvertently pointed out to me,
they'll be against anything the Demoncrats are for. Kinda fell into a
trap they did... Have to find out what the leeburullls believe so that
they can not believe it.

Hi Mike,

That won't work. One of the leading "conservatives," Richard Perle,
was an aide to my state's Democratic Senator, Scoop Jackson, who stood
politically just a few feet to the left of Hitler and Stalin (even
Roosevelt's administration referred to us obliquely with "the 47
United States and the Soviet of Washington").

Let's face it, the administration has abandoned the church's teachings
that we are the stewards of creation. Instead, the apocalyptic
message from these nihilists (another Russian hallmark) is nothing
matters because there's not much time left anyway. Such is the belief
system of the neo-cannibals.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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Mike Coslo wrote:

REDACTED

Quarks are just smaller "points" of matter that make up protons and
neutrons. Nothing mysterious there. I think part of the confusion is
over the goofy names that physicists insist on giving them.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

UP/DOWN, CHARM/STRANGE, TOP/BOTTOM ... Gosh almighty!

Are Quarks really matter? Or highly concentrated clusters of energy? Do they
have mass independent of energy? or, Wavelength?

How would Heisenburg know anything about them?

I think it is time to name a new computer controlled radio TOP/BOTTOM. Wouldn't
that be CHARMing? It would certianly be STRANGE!