Richard Clark wrote:

Hi Myles,

Fuel Cell??? That is a pretty pricey option.

More than likely it is 100WH (Watt-hour, not Watt) rated.

https://jadoopower.com/fuel_cell.html

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:53:31 -0700, Jim Kelley
wrote:



Richard Clark wrote:

Hi Myles,

Fuel Cell??? That is a pretty pricey option.

More than likely it is 100WH (Watt-hour, not Watt) rated.

https://jadoopower.com/fuel_cell.html

Which reports:
Output: 12 VDC Nominal
Wattage: 100 W Continuous

WOW! Infinite Watt Hours. I think we can walk away from the mid-east
right now.

Richard Clark wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:53:31 -0700, Jim Kelley
wrote:

Richard Clark wrote:


Hi Myles,

Fuel Cell??? That is a pretty pricey option.

More than likely it is 100WH (Watt-hour, not Watt) rated.

https://jadoopower.com/fuel_cell.html


Which reports:
Output: 12 VDC Nominal
Wattage: 100 W Continuous

So apparently your correspondent was correct after all.

WOW! Infinite Watt Hours. I think we can walk away from the mid-east
right now.

No, actually when you take time to understand the literature (like
Myles evidently has), it becomes quite clear that the limit to the
rate at which energy can be extracted from the power unit is 100
watts, and that the total amount of energy which can be extracted is
determined by the capacity of the fuel cannister; either 130
watt-hours or 360 watt-hours.

So it seems that if you want to be able to rely on this power source
for any extended length of time, 5 watts would not be an unreasonable
load. I'll wager it would even count for 100 extra points at Field
Day - albeit at a cost of $15-$20 a point.

73, Jim AC6XG

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:53:31 -0700, Jim Kelley
wrote:

Fuel Cell??? That is a pretty pricey option.

More than likely it is 100WH (Watt-hour, not Watt) rated.

https://jadoopower.com/fuel_cell.html

Very interesting.

But

Seems like those fuel canisters are just a bit on the pricey side.
And what fuel do they indeed use? Complete lack of info on that.

I see the website mentions refill stations. What kind of power do
those use? How do they work.

Tony

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:01:03 GMT, Tony VE6MVP
wrote:

Seems like those fuel canisters are just a bit on the pricey side.

When I run the numbers through I get N-Gen at $1000 and Honda EU1000i
at $790. Close enough for now.

But the fuel is much different. - N-Stor130 is 130 W-h for a cost of
$450. But the Honda fuel consumption is 3.8 hours at rated
continuous duty of 900 watts. Or a 0.6 US gal tank of gas produces
3420 W-h. That's about $2.

So 130 W-h for $450 or 3420 W-h for $2.

Unless you really, really need that absolute quiet of the fuel cell or
have unusual conditions such as the space shuttle then it's a no
brainer to me.

Tony

The small Honda generator is exceptionally quiet and produces good quality
AC. Used mine during a long power outage with the generator in the garage
(with the door up). The noise of the generator of my nearest neighbor (who
is a good 400 meters away) was quite noticeable when standing next to the
little Honda. Just a data point.
73, Mac N8TT

--
J. Mc Laughlin; Michigan U.S.A.
Home:
"Tony VE6MVP" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:01:03 GMT, Tony VE6MVP
wrote:

Seems like those fuel canisters are just a bit on the pricey side.

When I run the numbers through I get N-Gen at $1000 and Honda EU1000i
at $790. Close enough for now.

But the fuel is much different. - N-Stor130 is 130 W-h for a cost of
$450. But the Honda fuel consumption is 3.8 hours at rated
continuous duty of 900 watts. Or a 0.6 US gal tank of gas produces
3420 W-h. That's about $2.

So 130 W-h for $450 or 3420 W-h for $2.

Unless you really, really need that absolute quiet of the fuel cell or
have unusual conditions such as the space shuttle then it's a no
brainer to me.

Tony

Tony VE6MVP wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:01:03 GMT, Tony VE6MVP
wrote:


Seems like those fuel canisters are just a bit on the pricey side.


When I run the numbers through I get N-Gen at $1000 and Honda EU1000i
at $790. Close enough for now.

But the fuel is much different. - N-Stor130 is 130 W-h for a cost of
$450. But the Honda fuel consumption is 3.8 hours at rated
continuous duty of 900 watts. Or a 0.6 US gal tank of gas produces
3420 W-h. That's about $2.

So 130 W-h for $450 or 3420 W-h for $2.

Unless you really, really need that absolute quiet of the fuel cell or
have unusual conditions such as the space shuttle then it's a no
brainer to me.

Tony

Makes absolute sense to me. What we need is for somebody to invent
synthetic gasoline that doesn't produce CO2 and is willing to sell it
for a dollar or two a gallon.

73, ac6xg