Brenda Ann wrote:
Covenant communities should be outlawed.

Actually, all that is needed is for consumers to
reject covenant communities, as I have always
done.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
. ..
Brenda Ann wrote:
Covenant communities should be outlawed.

Actually, all that is needed is for consumers to
reject covenant communities, as I have always
done.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil is correct . The economic laws of supply and demand dictate that when
consumers wise up and refuse to give up their liberties, covenant
communities will be as obsolete as the horse and buggy.
Ace - WH2T

P.S. I read about the evils of drinking,

So I gave up reading.

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Cecil Moore wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:
Covenant communities should be outlawed.

Actually, all that is needed is for consumers to
reject covenant communities, as I have always
done.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Yup - as long as those consumers know what they are getting into.

In more than a few places, the buyer doesn't know a house has covenants
unless they ask exactly the right questions and insist on the answers
in writing. Many folks live in houses with very restrictive covenants
without ever realizing it, because they don't do anything that violates
the covenants.

One of the ironies of all this is that covenanted properties tend to
appreciate in value more slowly than unrestricted ones. This makes them
less expensive - and more popular with buyers.

73 de Jim, N2EY

wrote:
Many folks live in houses with very restrictive covenants
without ever realizing it, because they don't do anything that violates
the covenants.

When I bought my present house, the real estate agent
had no idea about any restrictions concerning this
property. After a lot of digging they were uncovered.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:
Many folks live in houses with very restrictive covenants
without ever realizing it, because they don't do anything that violates
the covenants.

When I bought my present house, the real estate agent
had no idea about any restrictions concerning this
property. After a lot of digging they were uncovered.

Hopefully not literally!

The real kicker in all of this is the buyer who doesn't know the right
questions to ask,
and how to evaluate the answers. A verbal statement by the agent, owner
or anybody
else is worthless when confronted by legally recorded covenants in
black-and-white.

These questions have to be asked up-front - preferably before even
looking at a
property.

Always remember that RE agents don't make any money until a sale
closes.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Cecil Moore wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:
Covenant communities should be outlawed.

Actually, all that is needed is for consumers to
reject covenant communities, as I have always
done.


Tough to do, today. In a number of states, Illinois being one, new
developments are required to have HOA's with a standard, boilerplate
CC&R statement provided by the Assembly for simplicity.

Pre-existing non HOA communities are forming HOA's to protect
themselves from intrusion by commercial interests that cannot get
traction in other HOA communities.

AND...in at least two counties, here, there are basic CC&R's in place
on undeveloped land, levied by county boards, in speculation that
developers may wish to move that way. Meaning, you can buy a piece of
land in deep weeds, build a home with your own hands, and before you
close the door, be in violation of antenna restrictions. Even though the
nearest neighbor may be an hour away.

Rejecting HOA communities, today, may mean having to move a half a
continent away.

You can't even homestead property on the tundra, anymore.

D Peter Maus wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:
Covenant communities should be outlawed.

Actually, all that is needed is for consumers to
reject covenant communities, as I have always
done.


Tough to do, today. In a number of states, Illinois being one, new
developments are required to have HOA's with a standard, boilerplate
CC&R statement provided by the Assembly for simplicity.

when did Illinois do that

Pre-existing non HOA communities are forming HOA's to protect
themselves from intrusion by commercial interests that cannot get
traction in other HOA communities.

AND...in at least two counties, here, there are basic CC&R's in place
on undeveloped land, levied by county boards, in speculation that
developers may wish to move that way. Meaning, you can buy a piece of
land in deep weeds, build a home with your own hands, and before you
close the door, be in violation of antenna restrictions. Even though the
nearest neighbor may be an hour away.

glad I left the state a few years back

Rejecting HOA communities, today, may mean having to move a half a
continent away.

You can't even homestead property on the tundra, anymore.

well I hard live in tunadra and your tendecy for hyperbole makes me
question the accuratcy of what you are saying

an_old_friend wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:
Covenant communities should be outlawed.
Actually, all that is needed is for consumers to
reject covenant communities, as I have always
done.

Tough to do, today. In a number of states, Illinois being one, new
developments are required to have HOA's with a standard, boilerplate
CC&R statement provided by the Assembly for simplicity.

when did Illinois do that



That's a good question. I don't believe it was in place when I
bought my house eleven years ago. But I've been hearing it now for a
number of years from sources within both the real estate community, and
media.


Pre-existing non HOA communities are forming HOA's to protect
themselves from intrusion by commercial interests that cannot get
traction in other HOA communities.

AND...in at least two counties, here, there are basic CC&R's in place
on undeveloped land, levied by county boards, in speculation that
developers may wish to move that way. Meaning, you can buy a piece of
land in deep weeds, build a home with your own hands, and before you
close the door, be in violation of antenna restrictions. Even though the
nearest neighbor may be an hour away.

glad I left the state a few years back



You are not alone in that sentiment. And I'm not far behind you.

D Peter Maus wrote:
Rejecting HOA communities, today, may mean having to move a half a
continent away.

Texas ain't full yet. Y'all come on down.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

D Peter Maus wrote:

Cecil Moore wrote:

Brenda Ann wrote:

Covenant communities should be outlawed.


Actually, all that is needed is for consumers to
reject covenant communities, as I have always
done.



Tough to do, today. In a number of states, Illinois being one, new
developments are required to have HOA's with a standard, boilerplate
CC&R statement provided by the Assembly for simplicity.

SNIPPED

If the CC&R is "provided by the Assembly" is that to be understood as an agency
of government?