k1drw wrote:
the vertical configuration: It seems then, that the 2nd half
of the cycle on the vertical (where the current flow is coming out of
the vertical element and into the radials) is practically worthless in
terms of radiating signal into the 'ether'.

Dennis, you got the simplified version. When current is
flowing into the antenna, electrons are flowing out of
the antenna. When current is flowing out of the antenna,
electrons are flowing into the antenna. Either way the
electrons are flowing, they are being accelerated for
part of the cycle. So RF radiation (photon generation)
occurs no matter which way the electrons are flowing.

In addition, the vertical is a standing wave antenna.
It actually has RF waves moving both directions at the
same time. There's the forward wave moving toward the
top of the antenna and the reflected wave moving from
the top back toward the feedpoint. The SWR on a 1/2
wavelength dipole is in the ballpark of 20:1.

For an antenna to be close to 100% efficient, it must
radiate equally during both half cycles.

You can blame Ben Franklin for current flowing the opposite
direction from the electron flow. He didn't know electrons
carried a negative charge. So by definition, current flows
from plus to minus but electrons actually flow from minus
to plus. In addition, RF current flow is associated with
the RF electromagnetic wave (photons) , not with the
electrons which move much slower than the speed of light.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:
k1drw wrote:
the vertical configuration: It seems then, that the 2nd half
of the cycle on the vertical (where the current flow is coming out of
the vertical element and into the radials) is practically worthless in
terms of radiating signal into the 'ether'.

Dennis, you got the simplified version. When current is
flowing into the antenna, electrons are flowing out of
the antenna. When current is flowing out of the antenna,
electrons are flowing into the antenna. Either way the
electrons are flowing, they are being accelerated for
part of the cycle. So RF radiation (photon generation)
occurs no matter which way the electrons are flowing.

In addition, the vertical is a standing wave antenna.
It actually has RF waves moving both directions at the
same time. There's the forward wave moving toward the
top of the antenna and the reflected wave moving from
the top back toward the feedpoint. The SWR on a 1/2
wavelength dipole is in the ballpark of 20:1.

For an antenna to be close to 100% efficient, it must
radiate equally during both half cycles.

You can blame Ben Franklin for current flowing the opposite
direction from the electron flow. He didn't know electrons
carried a negative charge. So by definition, current flows
from plus to minus but electrons actually flow from minus
to plus. In addition, RF current flow is associated with
the RF electromagnetic wave (photons) , not with the
electrons which move much slower than the speed of light.

Cecil:

I was unaware that anyone had proved the "absolute" existence of
photons, beyond mathematical formula and "interpreted" experiments ...

This:
The "discovery" of the photon, based on the interpretation of
experimental results that otherwise seemed mysterious, was made in a
scientific paper by Albert Einstein in 1905.

from he
http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~soper/Light/photons.html

This:
Photon was a live action series based on the infrared tag game popular
in the 1980s. The series took place on Earth and in space on various
worlds and involved a young human teen named Christopher Jarvis who is a
champion player of Photon. He receives a mysterious message one day
while playing and is transported to the ship of Mother One, the leader
of the Federation of Light a galactic amalgam of beings dedicated to
playing Photon and the power of good over evil. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon_(TV_series)

from he
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search

Chuckle,
JS

John Smith I wrote:
...

Or, put "simply":
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4862112.stm

Regards,
JS

John Smith I wrote:
I was unaware that anyone had proved the "absolute" existence of
photons, beyond mathematical formula and "interpreted" experiments ...

A Google search for "existence of photons" turned up
more than one million entries. The existence of photons
has been proved to my satisfaction. They have been
captured on sub-atomic particle plots and have been
proved to obey Planck's quantum principle. A single
photon has been shown to interfere with itself during
double slit experiments. A photon certainly exists but
I am not "absolutely" certain of exactly what it really
is as photons possess the particle-wave duality. However,
so do electrons and massive 60 atom carbon Buckyballs.
So how can 60 carbon atoms go through two slots at the
same time?

Here's one of the photon experiments.

http://people.whitman.edu/~beckmk/QM.../grangier.html
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:
...

Cecil, OM:

I agree, there is something which surely "acts" much like a "real"
photon should. Mostly, I am just joshing 'ya.

But, we may have to revise our present theory about photons in the
future, at some point.

However, there is one photon which has been all over the house here,
actually, it CAN seem to be in two places at once! I have termed the
discovery of this "new photon" the "Fly-Photon" and have began swatting
at it!

Chuckling,
JS

John Smith I wrote:
But, we may have to revise our present theory about photons in the
future, at some point.

We, the human race, may have to revise our present
theories about *everything* in the future. :-) That
is, unless the patent office guy was right - you
know, the one who said, around the end of the 19th
century, that everything had already been invented.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:
...
is, unless the patent office guy was right - you
know, the one who said, around the end of the 19th
century, that everything had already been invented.

Hey, all he did was spawn a "Everything Has Already Been Discovered
Society", and of course the famous "Everything IS Already Known
Society." But, my all time favorites are the, "Don't Challenge Present
Thinking and Theory Society" and, "If Einstein Said It, It Must Be True
Society."

I end up having discourse with a number of these groups members
here--usually the latter. serious look

Alas, I was born too late, all the good theories were taken.

Regards,
JS