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The power explanation
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:35:27 GMT, Owen Duffy wrote:
Breaking out of the previous thread to explore the "power explanation" in a steady state situation: The scenario for discussion is a transmitter connected to a half wave of 600 ohm lossless transmission line connected to an antenna with a feedpoint impedance of 70+j0. The transmitter is rated for 100W output, 100W is developed in the 70 ohm load, the VSWR on the transmission line is 8.6, the "forward power" (meaning Vf^2/Zo) on the transmission line is 267W, the "reflected power" (meaning Vr^2/Zo) on the transmission line is 167W, the DC input power to the transmitter is 200W. The questions a Is there any internal inconsistency in the scenario characterisation, if so, identify / explain? What is the heat dissipated in the transmitter (and why)? What part of the "reflected power" of 167W is dissipated in the transmitter (and why)? Owen Hi All, Per recent correspondence from Walt Maxwell, he has asked me to post his contribution: Hi Richard, I'm in a hotel in Jacksonville, away from my home computer, and at this time I can't access the rraa to send, can only receive, so I'm asking for your help. I've been reading the posts on this thread and find it interesting. However, it's been only discussed academically. On the other hand, I've made measurements that prove the results described, measurements made since those reported in Reflections 2. I'd like for you to alert the posters on this thread to see Chapter 19A that will appear in Reflections 3, which is available for download from my web page at www.w2du.com. The entire chapter was written as a final epilogue to Bruene's fiction, but the portion pertinent to the thread is in the last portion of the chapter concerning the measurements made using a Kenwood TS-830S. Therein lies the proof. It would be nice if you could post the entire portion of the measurements section, but that probably wouldn't work, because of special characters used in Word that wouldn't appear in the text. Anyway, I'd like for the posters to know that experimental proof exists to support the claims made in the thread. Thanks, Richard, Walt 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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Owen Duffy wrote:
"Breaking out of the previous thread to explore the "power explanation" in a steady state situation:" All OK as I see it. Bird tells us that if you have significant standing waves, reflected power is 10% or more of the forward power, and the ratio of reflected power to forward power is then easily determined on the Bird Thruline Wattmeter. Ratio of the reflected power to forward power is easily converted to VSWR. Bird supplies, charts, slide rules, and a formula for this conversion. Bird confirms: "Power delivered to and dissipated in a load is given by: Watts into load = Watts forward - Watts reflected." Owen Duffy told us 100W is developed in 70 ohm load and the DC input power of the transmitter is 200W. Obviously 100W is dissipated in the transmitter and the efficiency is 50%. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
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I wrote:
"Obviously 100W is dissipated inthe transmitter and efficiency is 50%." This is a Class A amplifier limit but not for other classes of amplifiers. Terman tells us on page 450 of his 1955 opus: "The high efficiency of the Class C amplifier is a result of the fact that plate current is not allowed to flow except when the instantaneous voltage drop across the tube is low; i.e., Eb supplies energy to the amplifier only when the largest portion of this energy will be absorbed by the tuned circuit. "Transmission Lines, Antennas, and Wave Guides" by King, Mimno, and Wing is an excellent reference, and like Terman, the authors agree with Walter Maxwell. On page 43 is found: "Principal of Conjugates in Impedance Matching - If a dissipationless network is inserted between a constant-voltage generator of impedance Zg and a load of impedance ZR such that maximum power is delivered to the load, at every pair of terminals the impedance looking in opposite directions are conjugates of each other." The real world is full of imperfections which by no means preclude practical work. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
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Richard Harrison wrote:
"Transmission Lines, Antennas, and Wave Guides" by King, Mimno, and Wing is an excellent reference, and like Terman, the authors agree with Walter Maxwell. On page 43 is found: "Principal of Conjugates in Impedance Matching - If a dissipationless network is inserted between a constant-voltage generator of impedance Zg and a load of impedance ZR such that maximum power is delivered to the load, at every pair of terminals the impedance looking in opposite directions are conjugates of each other." And can be seen clearly by looking at the reflection of a smith chart upside down. Best, Dan. |
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