John Smith wrote:
"The photon/wave properties of rf still remains a mystery ... and proof
is hard to come by."

Proof of the wave property is abundant. Electrical energy escapes into
free space in the form of waves. Countless observations prove it.
The wavefront is composed of the electric and magnetic fields at right
angles to each other and both are at right angles to the direction of
travel.

Direction of the electric flux is called the polarization of the wave.

Voltage on a wire properly aligned with the electric field varies along
the length of the wire and not very much across the width of the wire.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Richard Harrison wrote:
John Smith wrote:
"The photon/wave properties of rf still remains a mystery ... and proof
is hard to come by."

Proof of the wave property is abundant. Electrical energy escapes into
free space in the form of waves. Countless observations prove it.
...
Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI


Richard:

You sing to the choir, and waves need a media to propagate through/on
.... plus, just as an extra kicker, they appear enough as particles to
have an arguable point--which brings us here.

Well, unless that thinking is wrong and there is no ether (medium.)
And, radio "waves" are nothing but flying packets of energy stings ...
scratches head

Warmest regards,
JS

On 30 Aug, 10:32, John Smith wrote:
Richard Harrison wrote:
John Smith wrote:
"The photon/wave properties of rf still remains a mystery ... and proof
is hard to come by."

Proof of the wave property is abundant. Electrical energy escapes into
free space in the form of waves. Countless observations prove it.
...
Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Richard:

You sing to the choir, and waves need a media to propagate through/on
... plus, just as an extra kicker, they appear enough as particles to
have an arguable point--which brings us here.

Well, unless that thinking is wrong and there is no ether (medium.)
And, radio "waves" are nothing but flying packets of energy stings ...
scratches head

Warmest regards,
JS

Agreed. Evidence is that the particles are separated from its
companion radiator
into space and those that do not escape are drawn back to the
radiatior where it decay's.
There is no "abundance" of evidence to either side of the particle
wave debate,
only the evidence that has been chosen for the moment at least until
the printer of science books get back to work again.
Ofcourse some say if it is in a book then that is what is correct,
just like on the web!
Of course if one considers that a particle that is projected into
space creates a magnetic field
then the question is what came first, the particulate or the magnetic
field of constant polarity.
Art

art wrote:

...
only the evidence that has been chosen for the moment at least until
the printer of science books get back to work again.
Ofcourse some say if it is in a book then that is what is correct,
just like on the web!
...
Art

Art:

When we make this final leap, explain that one-more-thing which will
trigger that flood of understanding, that revelation, that epiphany--we
will only look back and marvel that it took us so long--that we were so
close, for so long ...

An example is the atomic bomb. We always knew that if you pile up a lot
of pure radioactive material--you get heat--we speculated with a great
belief that an explosion from this process was possible. But putting it
all together, getting the right isotope with the extra atomic particles
available and a system to SLAM! enough of the material together (~2.2Kg)
and an "exploding bottle" of force to surround it and keep it together
so it didn't just melt/vaporize/weak-poof but would burst out in a
healthy explosion, until then, we hadn't really discovered the atomic
bomb ...

We stand such a threshold now, this "silence of new discovery" only
leads before the "storm of revelation(s)", that very next step may take
us there ... or, so I hope.

Somewhere out there is the mind(s) which will accomplish it. We simply
need to continue the discussion and search--keep the candle in the window.

Simply put, we need an Einstein and a Manhattan Project.

Or, perhaps we only just need a bunch more high IQ "kooks" in their
basements with wires and reactances--thinking and building from their
imaginations.

Regards,
JS

On 30 Aug, 15:31, John Smith wrote:
art wrote:

...

only the evidence that has been chosen for the moment at least until
the printer of science books get back to work again.
Ofcourse some say if it is in a book then that is what is correct,
just like on the web!
...
Art

Art:

When we make this final leap, explain that one-more-thing which will
trigger that flood of understanding, that revelation, that epiphany--we
will only look back and marvel that it took us so long--that we were so
close, for so long ...

An example is the atomic bomb. We always knew that if you pile up a lot
of pure radioactive material--you get heat--we speculated with a great
belief that an explosion from this process was possible. But putting it
all together, getting the right isotope with the extra atomic particles
available and a system to SLAM! enough of the material together (~2.2Kg)
and an "exploding bottle" of force to surround it and keep it together
so it didn't just melt/vaporize/weak-poof but would burst out in a
healthy explosion, until then, we hadn't really discovered the atomic
bomb ...

We stand such a threshold now, this "silence of new discovery" only
leads before the "storm of revelation(s)", that very next step may take
us there ... or, so I hope.

Somewhere out there is the mind(s) which will accomplish it. We simply
need to continue the discussion and search--keep the candle in the window.

Simply put, we need an Einstein and a Manhattan Project.

Or, perhaps we only just need a bunch more high IQ "kooks" in their
basements with wires and reactances--thinking and building from their
imaginations.

Regards,
JS

Yup..And after that person dies and only after he dies will people
examine
what he found and depending on the favorable publicity of the time
will
they consider its validity. To acknowledge its validity while the man
is still alive
means acceptance that the man is the smartest of all a tribute that no
man
is willing to assign.
For instance, if I stated that I had a dipole for 160 meters that was
rotatable
only snarls and laughter would be heard since it is NOT something that
one WANTS to believe,
because, if it was really possible he himself would have made it.
Art

John Smith wrote:
Somewhere out there is the mind(s) which will accomplish it.

Whoever developed the technique of correctly
"guessing" the state of quantum Qubit particles
without collapsing their probability functions
gets a tip of the hat from me.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:

...
Whoever developed the technique of correctly
"guessing" the state of quantum Qubit particles
without collapsing their probability functions
gets a tip of the hat from me.

Stop already Cecil, I already know your mind has this kind of potential ...

But, we can have some fun with 'em :-)

Regards,
JS