On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 05:29:16 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:

But, Mark, you are neglecting physical efficiency.

On 18 Feb 2004 22:15:35 -0800, (Mark Keith) wrote:

After
all, it's going to have to come up an average of 4 S units "average
report given to me over the 36 ft dipole" to a long DX haul site to do
it. "IE: TX to VK land".

Hi Mark,

The Flat Earth Socialists invent new forms of "efficiency" to argue
against success. With their logic, a dummy load is the world's best
antenna (and quiet too). The are obviously seduced by their own math
models where less current emerges from a resistor than goes in. ;-)

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard Clark wrote:
The are obviously seduced by their own math
models where less current emerges from a resistor than goes in. ;-)

What does your lumped circuit math model say about resistors used
on a frequency where the resistor plus its leads is 1/4WL long? At
that frequency, why are you surprised that the current in is different
from the current out (in the presence of standing waves)?

Heck, I have seen a GDO find the resonant frequency of a resistor
with the leads shorted together (that's the entire circuit).
Do you think the current is the same everywhere in a resistor
that is a 1/2WL loop?
--
73, Cecil, W5DXP

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:19:20 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:

The are obviously seduced by their own math
models where less current emerges from a resistor than goes in. ;-)

What does your lumped circuit math model say about resistors
I'm not interested in Flat Earth Socialist rhetoric.

Richard Clark wrote:
I'm not interested in Flat Earth Socialist rhetoric.

Looks like you are trying to delete and hide the fact that
a resistor plus its leads has a resonant frequency that can
be measured. At that resonant frequency, do you think the
current is the same everywhere along the resistor and leads?
Remember, you were scornful of such a concept.

What I have done is presented a situation where lumped circuit
theory totally falls apart as it does in physically large mobile
loading coils. That's one reason that distributed network theory
was invented.

Flat Earth thinking equates to using lumped circuit theory for
applications where it simply doesn't work.
--
73, Cecil, W5DXP

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:32:15 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Richard Clark wrote:
I'm not interested in Flat Earth Socialist rhetoric.

Looks like you are trying to delete and hide
Mark's experience eclipses this nonsense of Flat Earth Socialist
rhetoric.

Richard Clark wrote:
Mark's experience eclipses this nonsense of Flat Earth Socialist
rhetoric.

Mark hasn't tried a 130 foot dipole on 10m at the same
height as his vertical in the direction of one of the
four 11 dBi at 7 deg lobes. Even with a perfect ground,
his vertical tops out at about 5 dBi, a full s-unit
below the dipole's best lobes.

Flat Earth thinking equates to asserting that a vertical
monopole will beat a +11 dBi beam (or lobe).
--
73, Cecil, W5DXP

Richard Clark wrote,

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:32:15 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Richard Clark wrote:
I'm not interested in Flat Earth Socialist rhetoric.

Looks like you are trying to delete and hide
Mark's experience eclipses this nonsense of Flat Earth Socialist
rhetoric.


Hi Richard,
Cecil doesn't believe in measurement and experience. He's the
last of the Scholastics.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:19:45 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:
Richard Clark wrote:
Mark's experience eclipses this nonsense of Flat Earth Socialist
rhetoric.

Mark hasn't tried
You have tried even less = more nonsense of Flat Earth Socialist
rhetoric.

On 19 Feb 2004 20:42:28 GMT, (Tdonaly) wrote:

Richard Clark wrote,

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:32:15 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Richard Clark wrote:
I'm not interested in Flat Earth Socialist rhetoric.

Looks like you are trying to delete and hide
Mark's experience eclipses this nonsense of Flat Earth Socialist
rhetoric.


Hi Richard,
Cecil doesn't believe in measurement and experience. He's the
last of the Scholastics.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

Hi Tom,

Exactly what you expect of a binary engineer arguing linear problems:
tedious repetition and recitation from stale books.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Tdonaly wrote:
Cecil doesn't believe in measurement and experience. He's the
last of the Scholastics.

If someone experiences a 5 dBi monopole beating a
11 dBi beam, I am skeptical.
--
73, Cecil, W5DXP