"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Quoting "Alpha and Omega", by Seife,
"Empty space is an incredibly complex substance, ...

Are you saying space is a fluid?

Maybe "an incredibly complex substance"
exhibits some characteristics of a fluid?
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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com


If the photon creates a shock wave in the aether then it must be imparting
some energy into the aether and the photon should slow down over time.

Peter

http://members.optushome.com.au/vk6ysf/vk6ysf/main.htm

Peter wrote:
If the photon creates a shock wave in the aether then it must be imparting
some energy into the aether and the photon should slow down over time.

Photons cannot slow down but you could be right about
them losing energy over time. Lengthening the wavelength
of a photon is certainly a loss of energy. That could
explain the red-shift of light from distant galaxies.

"Optics", by Hecht, 4th edition, Page 52:
"Photons are stable, chargeless, massless elementary
particles that *exist only at the speed of light*."
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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:
Peter wrote:
If the photon creates a shock wave in the aether then it must be
imparting some energy into the aether and the photon should slow down
over time.

Photons cannot slow down but you could be right about
them losing energy over time. Lengthening the wavelength
of a photon is certainly a loss of energy. That could
explain the red-shift of light from distant galaxies.

"Optics", by Hecht, 4th edition, Page 52:
"Photons are stable, chargeless, massless elementary
particles that *exist only at the speed of light*."

While I cannot dismiss the existence of the photons, I am not aware of
any experiments which have been able to measure them.

However, to me, the fact that there is some type of interaction with our
antennas and the ether is undeniable ... and, indeed, I do not believe
that transmission of radio signals would be possible, on most
frequencies--at least, if not for the ether.

Regards,
JS

John Smith wrote:
While I cannot dismiss the existence of the photons, I am not aware of
any experiments which have been able to measure them.

Hecht says: "... researchers ... have conducted experiments
in which they literally counted individual photons".
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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:
John Smith wrote:
While I cannot dismiss the existence of the photons, I am not aware of
any experiments which have been able to measure them.

Hecht says: "... researchers ... have conducted experiments
in which they literally counted individual photons".

I was aware of light, not RF. And, of course, at the extreme
"frequencies" (others would state "Higher Energy Particles" for all
RF--I guess), photons (particles) become undeniable--x-rays, gamma rays,
etc. However, "light transmitters" have always been of a differing
design/construction (example: light bulb) than RF transmitters.

My readings and studies have been of a "circular nature", just when I
have, in the past, decided that rf are/is waves, I have read something
which convinced me particles are responsible--then the opposite occurs
and I am back standing on square one. Hopefully, and in a "BLATANT"
manner, some experiment will make the truth of this whole subject
ABSOLUTELY apparent.

Until then, I think it is OK to remain undecided and firmly set in ones
beliefs ... but cautious of poking too much fun at anothers'.

Warm regards,
JS

John Smith wrote:
I was aware of light, not RF.

I will go out on a limb and assert that light
waves and RF waves are both electromagnetic
waves with differing wavelengths. :-)
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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:

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I will go out on a limb and assert that light
waves and RF waves are both electromagnetic
waves with differing wavelengths. :-)

Well, my "limb" is probably well known ...

I don't think we "know" anything, until we deal with what part the ether
plays in all this ... I see it as we are flying a plane without paying
any heed to the existence of air--I am sure it could be done--just
happen to stumble upon a set(s) of math which would allow it--it is just
a "bunch easier" knowing about the air.

Regards,
JS

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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John Smith wrote:
I was aware of light, not RF.

I will go out on a limb and assert that light
waves and RF waves are both electromagnetic
waves with differing wavelengths. :-)
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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

A limb? Even I know that!

Cecil Moore wrote:
John Smith wrote:
While I cannot dismiss the existence of the photons, I am not aware of
any experiments which have been able to measure them.

Hecht says: "... researchers ... have conducted experiments
in which they literally counted individual photons".

Hecht is quite correct. This is a standard technique in several areas of
physics research. I personally spent several years in my relative youth
designing, building, and using photon counting apparatus.

73,
Gene
W4SZ

Gene Fuller wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Hecht says: "... researchers ... have conducted experiments
in which they literally counted individual photons".

Hecht is quite correct. This is a standard technique in several areas of
physics research. I personally spent several years in my relative youth
designing, building, and using photon counting apparatus.

Feynman talks a lot about when the waves get weaker,
the clicks from the detectors get farther apart, but
the intensity of each click doesn't get any weaker.
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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com