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Richard Clark wrote:

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:28:42 GMT, ml wrote:

the companies that make these noice devices say the above you
proposed won't work at all, however your idea is ceartainly worth
trying and a fun experiment only way i'll learn and know fer sure

Hi Myles,

What they may be talking about is noise that arrives over the air
(radiation) won't be materially affected by chokes - or at least not
enough. However, where chokes do work best is with noise over the
wire (conduction) and your sense antenna sitting right on top of the
elevator shack is tightly coupled (and why I suggested putting it
further away).

and the chokes are easy to do can't hurt

However, knowing their impedance characteristic is important because
you may end up thinking they weren't useful for the wrong reason (they
didn't present enough impedance).

A ferrite choke at the feed point consisting of 50 mixed beads of
Amidon types #75 and #73 (or #77) over RG58 will be about a foot
long. A couple more of these along the line (one a quarter wave away
from the feed point for a low band, and another a quarter wave away at
the high band) will help decouple it further. At a minimum, over the
HF band it will present something on the order of 1000 Ohms to those
noise currents traveling on the braid outer surface. The attenuation
ratio of this Z to your front end Z is not very considerable (low
teens of dB) but still useful. At the proximity you are with sitting
on top of the elevator shack, distance with the square law will help
far more - you only want to sense the noise, not pull it into your ham
shack.

You will need to choke ALL lines going topside in this manner (your
principle antenna, your sense antenna, your control leads to your SGC)
such that this sounds like an investment of roughly 150-450 beads.

I would move the sense antenna first as that is the cheapest test for
noise reduction that could bring the greatest return - pick the low
hanging fruit first.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

ok thanks again rich, i shoulda been more specific the company made no
comments about chokes only there noise cancling device those where my
last comments about your comments which differed from their comments
so despite all the commenting i will still try what you said cause
it seems like it might work it seems logical

my coax for hf is LMR400 as far as chokes go i presume the types
wouldn't change but i guess i'll need few more chokes on roof?

come to think of it i dn't have any chokes on my temp prob, sgc
control etc i do on the shack end hmmm

i wonder if i cut power to the sgc and if i still get the noice
it can't be a deffive sgc just to be scientific to rule it out


thanks rich for helping so much