On Jul 3, 1:13 pm, John Smith wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
...
Yet a dummy load is conductive ie carbon but is not considered
radiative, a clear conflict
...
Art

Naaa ... NOT even close!

Dummy Load = A man carrying a BIG round rock downhill. grin

Regards,
JS

John
I wanted a succession of logic starting from the bottom with respect
to education
and finishing on some hight lights and intuition with respect to
antennas and radiation
which is what this forum is for. You are entering much to early since
we all know that
the level of education and achievements with subsequent promotions
come with a rush
ONLY after a ham person retires from a mundane working life. You have
been to college and are still working
so there are many posters awaiting their rightfull positioin to post
and should not be pushed aside
at this early point.. Shame for shame hi hi Go back to the prior
posting to check and see whether the logic presented if any
is a close match to yours and then retreat until later. Note with
respect to logic I placed myself at the bottom to see if my logic will
survive by the time we get to the self perceived experts and who
amoungst them spoke out of turn!
Regards
Art

Art Unwin wrote:

...
Regards
Art

Sorry Art. Just couldn't resist. That was one of my great Elmers'
favorite jokes ... as a younger man, I failed to find as much humor in
it as I do today--strange, huh? Maybe Alzheimer Disease is that way ...
grin

Regards,
JS

On Jul 3, 3:02 pm, John Smith wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:

...

Regards
Art

Sorry Art. Just couldn't resist. That was one of my great Elmers'
favorite jokes ... as a younger man, I failed to find as much humor in
it as I do today--strange, huh? Maybe Alzheimer Disease is that way ...
grin

Regards,
JS

thats o.k. john. we quickly got back on track in terms of succession

Art Unwin wrote:
On Jul 3, 1:13 pm, John Smith wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
John
I wanted a succession of logic starting from the bottom with respect
to education
and finishing on some hight lights and intuition with respect to
antennas and radiation
which is what this forum is for. You are entering much to early since
we all know that
the level of education and achievements with subsequent promotions
come with a rush
ONLY after a ham person retires from a mundane working life. You have

Which is why professionals like (names that came to mind first that I
could also spell, nothing else intended) Uda, Reisert, and Cebik have
had no effect whatsoever on the antennas that surround you.

tom
K0TAR

On Jul 3, 8:49 pm, Tom Ring wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
On Jul 3, 1:13 pm, John Smith wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
John
I wanted a succession of logic starting from the bottom with respect
to education
and finishing on some hight lights and intuition with respect to
antennas and radiation
which is what this forum is for. You are entering much to early since
we all know that
the level of education and achievements with subsequent promotions
come with a rush
ONLY after a ham person retires from a mundane working life. You have

Which is why professionals like (names that came to mind first that I
could also spell, nothing else intended) Uda, Reisert, and Cebik have
had no effect whatsoever on the antennas that surround you.

tom
K0TAR

Exactly. When they retired curiosity stayed with them and we learned
from their findings
There is little curiousity here which only gives people the past to
sieze upon with antenna bashing.
So they promote themselves as something they are not to prevent
learning from what I am sharing.
Nobody, but nobody has found fault with my findings because curiousity
left when they retired such
that they have nothing left to debate. Ofcourse that is not all bad,
no strain occures in bashing the messenger !.
I would be happy if somebody could find a fault in my findings to put
my mind at rest and I can move on
but trying to put fear in my mind by the bashing just plants my feet
more firmly in the ground
I find it so wiered that men of education denied the education
provided by the extension of Gauss when the mathematics are placed
before them to which they could find no fault. Probably because of
lack of knowledge in books behind which they could find safety.
We have a book writer here whose work was taken to task by another. If
he manages to get that same book published will you take shelter
behind what is written regardless of its quality? I find no shame in
what I am sharing and I will never be silenced so my feet turn to lead
in the face of wrong doing applied to others who have done no
wrong.That is exactly how Hitler came to power where those who did
nothing got their just deserts.
Art

Art Unwin wrote:

what I am sharing and I will never be silenced so my feet turn to lead
in the face of wrong doing applied to others who have done no
wrong.That is exactly how Hitler came to power where those who did
nothing got their just deserts.
Art

You are a very sick person. Get help.

tom
K0TAR

On Jul 3, 10:00 pm, Tom Ring wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
what I am sharing and I will never be silenced so my feet turn to lead
in the face of wrong doing applied to others who have done no
wrong.That is exactly how Hitler came to power where those who did
nothing got their just deserts.
Art

You are a very sick person. Get help.

tom
K0TAR

Make your point by proving it. Many will stand behind you
with that comment but first prove the mathematics presented are in
error.
That would certainly separate you from others who are not educated to
determine same
other than sharing with others what and who you are.
When those mathematics are proved to be in error my whole findings
fall apart .
.. Where I would lose credence where you would gain without the need
for
insult which gains nothing. Is there not anybody in this world can
prove that the extended law of Gauss
when subject to the addition of radiators and a time varying field is
not the equal of Maxwells law?
Anybody from any country of any color or religeon willing to present
to Americans that indeed the
laws become the same? Or do you find the possibility of insults from
americans to daunting to speak up?
Be strong
Regards
Art

Art Unwin wrote:
On Jul 3, 10:00 pm, Tom Ring wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
what I am sharing and I will never be silenced so my feet turn to lead
in the face of wrong doing applied to others who have done no
wrong.That is exactly how Hitler came to power where those who did
nothing got their just deserts.
Art
You are a very sick person. Get help.

tom
K0TAR

Make your point by proving it. Many will stand behind you
with that comment but first prove the mathematics presented are in
error.
That would certainly separate you from others who are not educated to
determine same
other than sharing with others what and who you are.
When those mathematics are proved to be in error my whole findings
fall apart .
. Where I would lose credence where you would gain without the need
for
insult which gains nothing. Is there not anybody in this world can
prove that the extended law of Gauss
when subject to the addition of radiators and a time varying field is
not the equal of Maxwells law?
Anybody from any country of any color or religeon willing to present
to Americans that indeed the
laws become the same? Or do you find the possibility of insults from
americans to daunting to speak up?
Be strong
Regards
Art

This was not an insult Art, this was in reference to the last sentence
in your statement which follows -

That is exactly how Hitler came to power where those who did
nothing got their just deserts.
Art

Sounds like a lightly veiled threat to me.

tom
K0TAR

Tom Ring wrote:


That is exactly how Hitler came to power where those who did
nothing got their just deserts.
Art

Sounds like a lightly veiled threat to me.

tom
K0TAR

You need to study your history.

Sounds like this to me:

First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.

by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945


Sick is attempting to "point" everything at ones' self. Sick is
thinking everyone in the world is "out to get you" ... be careful ... it
WAS about Hitler, and what those who do nothing deserve.

Regards,
JS

On Jul 3, 11:06 pm, Tom Ring wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
On Jul 3, 10:00 pm, Tom Ring wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
what I am sharing and I will never be silenced so my feet turn to lead
in the face of wrong doing applied to others who have done no
wrong.That is exactly how Hitler came to power where those who did
nothing got their just deserts.
Art
You are a very sick person. Get help.

tom
K0TAR

Make your point by proving it. Many will stand behind you
with that comment but first prove the mathematics presented are in
error.
That would certainly separate you from others who are not educated to
determine same
other than sharing with others what and who you are.
When those mathematics are proved to be in error my whole findings
fall apart .
. Where I would lose credence where you would gain without the need
for
insult which gains nothing. Is there not anybody in this world can
prove that the extended law of Gauss
when subject to the addition of radiators and a time varying field is
not the equal of Maxwells law?
Anybody from any country of any color or religeon willing to present
to Americans that indeed the
laws become the same? Or do you find the possibility of insults from
americans to daunting to speak up?
Be strong
Regards
Art

This was not an insult Art, this was in reference to the last sentence
in your statement which follows -

That is exactly how Hitler came to power where those who did
nothing got their just deserts.
Art

Sounds like a lightly veiled threat to me.

tom
K0TAR

Gee, I have no idea why you say that.
I want somebody, probably from outside America who knows something
about mathematics, communist, muslim or otherwise
who can inform the american ham where the similarity lies between
Gauss and Maxwell . This is mainly an american forum
and they are determined to deny any mathematics that supplies a
similarity between these two gentlemen from Europe. Mathematics shown
up to now showed that Gaussian law of statics when extended to include
a radiator and a time varying field cannot, and does not,equal
Maxwell's law despite the mathematic manouvaring that show that they
are the same. They also bring in to question antenna programs with
optimizer that produce arrays where all is in equilibrium, or programs
that show radiators tipped with respect to ground
as a response to Foucault current ala the weak field, required by the
masters prior to Maxwell. We all know the statement regarding garbage
in means garbage out and that is the label they are determined to
foist upon all. The equality of these laws leads to the fact that a
radiator may be of 'any shape, size or elevation as long as it is in
equilibrium and is capable of producing eddy currents'.
This suggests to me that some members are full bent on preventing this
knowledge being shared with all, for why I do not know
Even tho it was an american with a doctorate working for the space
department who supplied confirming mathematics.
There is a need for efficient electrically full wave antennas
contained within a smaller volume hitherto known and nobody can stop
the advance of science where curiousity abounds. Somebody some where
will produce one and then the race will be on but it disappoints me
that it will not be America where the fall of the dollar will continue
world wide.
Why american antenna engineers continue to pursue small efficient
fractional antenna I do not know when the above presents the means of
point radiation which leads to more efficient radiators of a smaller
volume. I need a mathematician to come forward to blow this scheming
apart for the benefit of all including those on the other side of the
pond.
Happy fourth of July to all Americans and hopefully change is near.
Best regards
Art Unwin KB9MZ......Personal page...."unwinantennas.com/"