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Hi Art
The details for the variometer would be of help if you could
oblige thank you.

Derek


The following explains the construction:

http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/variometer.htm

Variometers can be very lossy variable inductors. For proper
matching 2 elements are required.

73,

Frank


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On Jul 14, 10:51 am, "Frank" wrote:
Hi Art
The details for the variometer would be of help if you could
oblige thank you.


Derek


The following explains the construction:

http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/variometer.htm

Variometers can be very lossy variable inductors. For proper
matching 2 elements are required.

73,

Frank


up that is similar to mine except I split the coilnumbers by two and
it is still to insensitive so now I have to put a blob of solder in
betwwee the coils to short them until I get the right ratio to suit
the antenna. I like to slow down the swr meter so that I constantly do
not scoot pass the right point
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"Art Unwin" wrote in message
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On Jul 14, 10:51 am, "Frank" wrote:
Hi Art
The details for the variometer would be of help if you could
oblige thank you.


Derek


The following explains the construction:

http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/variometer.htm

Variometers can be very lossy variable inductors. For proper
matching 2 elements are required.


Oh, that little, that's thing is for girls, see
http://w5jgv.com/variometer/variometer.htm
Mike :-)



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On Jul 14, 2:29 pm, "amdx" wrote:
"Art Unwin" wrote in message

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On Jul 14, 10:51 am, "Frank" wrote:
Hi Art
The details for the variometer would be of help if you could
oblige thank you.


Derek


The following explains the construction:


http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/variometer.htm


Variometers can be very lossy variable inductors. For proper
matching 2 elements are required.


Oh, that little, that's thing is for girls, seehttp://w5jgv.com/variometer/variometer.htm
Mike :-)


That one is at least four times the coil turns needed. The previous
one was at least two times the number of coils need.
And if the wire length used was 1100 feet or so the latter also is
much more than required and can be divided by two again.
The idea is not to put a 1000 feet of wire on the variometer or to use
the radiator beyond the HF bands!
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Frank wrote:

The following explains the construction:

http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/variometer.htm

Variometers can be very lossy variable inductors. For proper
matching 2 elements are required.


A general rule of thumb for electrically small antennas is:
small-broadband-efficient, pick any two. One of the common features of
many small antennas is some lossy component or components which make the
bandwidth acceptable. Of course, this also means lowered efficiency,
often to an extreme extent. But most amateurs are able to measure SWR
and almost none are able to measure efficiency, so the loss fools a lot
of people into thinking the small antenna is performing well. I suspect
the variometer is the "secret ingredient" in this case, and that its
chief function is to provide loss. People duplicating the antenna might
try substituting a non-inductive resistor as a simpler way to achieve
the same result.

This isn't to say that a small inefficient antenna "doesn't work". I've
personally worked over 30 countries with a watt and a half on 40 meters
using simple antennas, and many, many people have done a great deal
better with much lower power. So you can still work a lot of stations
with a 100 watt rig and 1% efficient antenna.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL


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On Jul 14, 10:51 am, "Frank" wrote:
Hi Art
The details for the variometer would be of help if you could
oblige thank you.


Derek


The following explains the construction:

http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/variometer.htm

Variometers can be very lossy variable inductors. For proper
matching 2 elements are required.

73,

Frank


2 elements required? What does that mean?
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Art Unwin wrote:

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2 elements required? What does that mean?


Who knows absolutely?

But, most likely, he means a dipole.

On a full wave monopole with no counterpoise and choking off the outer
braid ... I guess you have "one element" as opposed to "2 elements" (for
example: monopole-with-counterpoise/dipole 1/4 wave, 1/2 wave.)

But then, I am guessing. scratches head

Regards,
JS
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2 elements required? What does that mean?

In most cases an inductor, and capacitor, is required to match
a complex impedance, as follows:

Shunt C, Series L;
Shunt L, Series C;
Series L, Shunt C, or;
Series C, Shunt L.

Only rarely can a single component provide a match.

73,

Frank


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On Jul 14, 7:23 pm, "Frank" wrote:
2 elements required? What does that mean?


In most cases an inductor, and capacitor, is required to match
a complex impedance, as follows:

Shunt C, Series L;
Shunt L, Series C;
Series L, Shunt C, or;
Series C, Shunt L.

Only rarely can a single component provide a match.

73,

Frank


Has not a variometer 2 elements?
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In most cases an inductor, and capacitor, is required to match
a complex impedance, as follows:

Shunt C, Series L;
Shunt L, Series C;
Series L, Shunt C, or;
Series C, Shunt L.

Only rarely can a single component provide a match.

73,

Frank


Has not a variometer 2 elements?


No. A variometer is simply a variable inductor.

I should also have added to the above:
Series L, Shunt L etc. etc.......

Frank




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