In article ,
Cecil Moore wrote:

John Smith quoted someone:
"A 5 KW amplifier is not lawful for use under Part 97."

Back in the 60's, a ham friend of mine ran a
surplus AM transmitter capable of 10KW output.
However, he never adjusted his input power to
more than the legal 1KW limit.

Whom, ever "Someone" is, he isn't versed in 47CFR97, and doesn't
understand, or can't comprehend, the actual Rule that Part 97
operations are REQUIRED to operate under. Specifically Part
97.313. I wonder if "Said Person" has ever actually READ
47CFR90.313? Apparently NOT......

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Bruce in alaska
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Bruce in alaska wrote:

...
Whom, ever "Someone" is, he isn't versed in 47CFR97, and doesn't
understand, or can't comprehend, the actual Rule that Part 97
operations are REQUIRED to operate under. Specifically Part
97.313. I wonder if "Said Person" has ever actually READ
47CFR90.313? Apparently NOT......


Your post is inspiring, and immediately brings a hypothetical question
to mind:

If an amateur is near a QRP'er on a field-day, they both have made
contact with the same ham, on the same freq/mode and within seconds of
ones' QSO ending, the other began ... and the QRP'er did it with 5w the
other ham with 100w ...

Is the 100w'er in violation of the law? grin

Or, and perhaps more importantly, do you know of any amateurs who would
"turn him in?" Or, call for his license to be revoked? -- I mean other
than those in r.r.a.m, apparently?

Or, who really enjoys contacts barely above the noise floor? Well,
sometimes ...

ROFLOL!

Regards,
JS

"Bruce in alaska" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Cecil Moore wrote:

John Smith quoted someone:
"A 5 KW amplifier is not lawful for use under Part 97."

Back in the 60's, a ham friend of mine ran a
surplus AM transmitter capable of 10KW output.
However, he never adjusted his input power to
more than the legal 1KW limit.

Whom, ever "Someone" is, he isn't versed in 47CFR97, and doesn't
understand, or can't comprehend, the actual Rule that Part 97
operations are REQUIRED to operate under. Specifically Part
97.313. I wonder if "Said Person" has ever actually READ
47CFR90.313? Apparently NOT......


and how would you know that from the information stated?

Dave wrote:

...
and how would you know that from the information stated?



Oh now, imagine that; why didn't we/I think of that! There are "other
possibilities" to his intentions/actions/words!

However, the alternatives bode poorly of the mans motives, intellect,
reading comprehension abilities, trustworthiness, fitness for public
position, etc. -- pick one or more at your own/his risk ... perhaps
"manipulator" would be a compromise one could seek?

Regards,
JS

Bruce in alaska wrote:
Whom, ever "Someone" is, he isn't versed in 47CFR97, and doesn't
understand, or can't comprehend, the actual Rule that Part 97
operations are REQUIRED to operate under. Specifically Part
97.313. I wonder if "Said Person" has ever actually READ
47CFR90.313? Apparently NOT......

I fail to see how "never adjusting his input power to more
than the legal 1KW limit" violated 97.313.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:42:44 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Bruce in alaska wrote:
Whom, ever "Someone" is, he isn't versed in 47CFR97, and doesn't
understand, or can't comprehend, the actual Rule that Part 97
operations are REQUIRED to operate under. Specifically Part
97.313. I wonder if "Said Person" has ever actually READ
47CFR90.313? Apparently NOT......

I fail to see how "never adjusting his input power to more
than the legal 1KW limit" violated 97.313.

Oh 97 instead of 90, see:

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_20...7cfr97.313.htm

Bruce in alaska wrote:
In article ,
Cecil Moore wrote:

John Smith quoted someone:
"A 5 KW amplifier is not lawful for use under Part 97."
Back in the 60's, a ham friend of mine ran a
surplus AM transmitter capable of 10KW output.
However, he never adjusted his input power to
more than the legal 1KW limit.

Whom, ever "Someone" is, he isn't versed in 47CFR97, and doesn't
understand, or can't comprehend, the actual Rule that Part 97
operations are REQUIRED to operate under. Specifically Part
97.313. I wonder if "Said Person" has ever actually READ
47CFR90.313? Apparently NOT......


Why stop at 97.313? Try 97.315 and 97.317 as well.

Unless "John Smith" has a "certificated for use in the amateur service"
5 kW amp (highly unlikely that one could find such a critter) or
"constructed or modified" the 5 kW amp then it is not legal for amateur
use at any power setting.

73,
Gene
W4SZ

"Gene Fuller" wrote in message
...
Bruce in alaska wrote:
In article ,
Cecil Moore wrote:

John Smith quoted someone:
"A 5 KW amplifier is not lawful for use under Part 97."
Back in the 60's, a ham friend of mine ran a
surplus AM transmitter capable of 10KW output.
However, he never adjusted his input power to
more than the legal 1KW limit.

Whom, ever "Someone" is, he isn't versed in 47CFR97, and doesn't
understand, or can't comprehend, the actual Rule that Part 97
operations are REQUIRED to operate under. Specifically Part
97.313. I wonder if "Said Person" has ever actually READ
47CFR90.313? Apparently NOT......


Why stop at 97.313? Try 97.315 and 97.317 as well.

Unless "John Smith" has a "certificated for use in the amateur service" 5
kW amp (highly unlikely that one could find such a critter) or
"constructed or modified" the 5 kW amp then it is not legal for amateur
use at any power setting.

73,
Gene
W4SZ


No, friend Gene. It doesn't work that way.

You do not have to have type certification for legal operation in the
amateur bands. You only have to have it if you SELL new amateur equipment in
the USA.

Home made gear, or converted gear from other services, is completely legal
in the USA. Always has been, hopefully always will be.

CB gear must be type certified for selling and for usage.

Again, amateurs are responsible for their RF emissions. The FCC could care
less about the type of gear you are using. In fact, if brand new amateur
gear that was compliant to type acceptance malfunctions and issues an out of
spec emission, YOU as a duly licensed amateur radio operator are held
responsible. Not the manufacturer.

Ed, NM2K

Ed Cregger wrote:
"Gene Fuller" wrote in message
...
Bruce in alaska wrote:
In article ,
Cecil Moore wrote:

John Smith quoted someone:
"A 5 KW amplifier is not lawful for use under Part 97."
Back in the 60's, a ham friend of mine ran a
surplus AM transmitter capable of 10KW output.
However, he never adjusted his input power to
more than the legal 1KW limit.
Whom, ever "Someone" is, he isn't versed in 47CFR97, and doesn't
understand, or can't comprehend, the actual Rule that Part 97
operations are REQUIRED to operate under. Specifically Part
97.313. I wonder if "Said Person" has ever actually READ
47CFR90.313? Apparently NOT......

Why stop at 97.313? Try 97.315 and 97.317 as well.

Unless "John Smith" has a "certificated for use in the amateur service" 5
kW amp (highly unlikely that one could find such a critter) or
"constructed or modified" the 5 kW amp then it is not legal for amateur
use at any power setting.

73,
Gene
W4SZ


No, friend Gene. It doesn't work that way.

You do not have to have type certification for legal operation in the
amateur bands. You only have to have it if you SELL new amateur equipment in
the USA.

Home made gear, or converted gear from other services, is completely legal
in the USA. Always has been, hopefully always will be.

CB gear must be type certified for selling and for usage.

Again, amateurs are responsible for their RF emissions. The FCC could care
less about the type of gear you are using. In fact, if brand new amateur
gear that was compliant to type acceptance malfunctions and issues an out of
spec emission, YOU as a duly licensed amateur radio operator are held
responsible. Not the manufacturer.

Ed, NM2K



Ed,

Sorry you have such a problem with basic literacy.

I stand by exactly what I said.

An unmodified manufactured amp that is not "certificated" is not legal
for use in the US Amateur Service, regardless of where it was
manufactured. A constructed or modified amp is potentially legal if
operated within the output power rules.

Did you read something else?

73,
Gene
W4SZ

Gene Fuller wrote:
Unless "John Smith" has a "certificated for use in the amateur service"
5 kW amp (highly unlikely that one could find such a critter) or
"constructed or modified" the 5 kW amp then it is not legal for amateur
use at any power setting.

"Modifications" are trivially easy.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com