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Gene Fuller wrote:
Ed Cregger wrote:


And my point is that ANY amplifier is legal, as long as it is operated
within the limits specified by the FCC for the particular amateur band
and license class of the operator. No type acceptance is necessary at
all. Am I missing something Gene?


Ed,

I don't think that is correct. I don't believe it is legal to use an
unmodified DaveMade or other such beast in amateur service, at any power
level. I think that is the point of 97.315.


We should all read 97.315 *in it's entirety*, and consider 97.315(b)(3),

(b) The requirement of paragraph (a) does not apply if one or more
of the following conditions are met:
(1) ...
(2) ...
(3) The amplifier is sold to an amateur radio operator or to a dealer,
the amplifier is purchased in used condition by a dealer,
or *the amplifier is sold to an amateur radio operator for use at that
operator's station*.


This (the emphasized) says to me that as an amateur licensee I can use
any amplifier as long as I observe amateur emission regulations.

Respectfully,
Galen, W8LNA




All of 97.315:

[Revised as of October 1, 2007]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 47CFR97.315]
Sec. 97.315 Certification of external RF power amplifiers.

(a) Any external RF power amplifier (see Sec. 2.815 of the FCC
Rules) manufactured or imported for use at an amateur radio station must
be certificated for use in the amateur service in accordance with
subpart J of part 2 of the FCC Rules. No amplifier capable of operation
below 144 MHz may be constructed or modified by a non-amateur service
licensee without a grant of certification from the FCC.
(b) The requirement of paragraph (a) does not apply if one or more
of the following conditions are met:
(1) The amplifier is constructed or modified by an amateur radio
operator for use at an amateur station.
(2) The amplifier was manufactured before April 28, 1978, and has
been issued a marketing waiver by the FCC, or the amplifier was
purchased before April 28, 1978, by an amateur radio operator for use at
that operator's station.
(3) The amplifier is sold to an amateur radio operator or to a
dealer, the amplifier is purchased in used condition by a dealer, or the
amplifier is sold to an amateur radio operator for use at that
operator's station.
(c) Any external RF power amplifier appearing in the Commission's
database as certificated for use in the amateur service may be marketed
for use in the amateur service.

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gwatts wrote:
Gene Fuller wrote:
Ed Cregger wrote:


And my point is that ANY amplifier is legal, as long as it is
operated within the limits specified by the FCC for the particular
amateur band and license class of the operator. No type acceptance is
necessary at all. Am I missing something Gene?


Ed,

I don't think that is correct. I don't believe it is legal to use an
unmodified DaveMade or other such beast in amateur service, at any
power level. I think that is the point of 97.315.


We should all read 97.315 *in it's entirety*, and consider 97.315(b)(3),

(b) The requirement of paragraph (a) does not apply if one or more
of the following conditions are met:
(1) ...
(2) ...
(3) The amplifier is sold to an amateur radio operator or to a dealer,
the amplifier is purchased in used condition by a dealer,
or *the amplifier is sold to an amateur radio operator for use at that
operator's station*.


This (the emphasized) says to me that as an amateur licensee I can use
any amplifier as long as I observe amateur emission regulations.

Respectfully,
Galen, W8LNA

Common sense would dictate (but then, as you already know, that is rare
to find), if the amp was stable, harmonics suppressed to specs, etc. --
use it. (i.e., emission standards obeyed.)

DISCLAIMER:
Great care should be taken with any "broadband amp", as any "flaw" in
the xmitters output is only amplified, linearly/proportionally, to the
amps' gain, in the amps output!

ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER:
BEWARE OF ATTORNEYS/LAWYERS and "HAREBRAINED BUREAUCRATS!"

Regards,
JS

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John Smith wrote:

...
ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER:
BEWARE OF ATTORNEYS/LAWYERS and "HAREBRAINED BUREAUCRATS!"

Regards,
JS

Thinking about the above, for a bit:

ADDITION TO THE ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER:
If you should ever find a "HAREBRANED BUREAUCRATIC
ATTORNEY/LAWYER"--RUN! chuckle

Regards,
JS

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gwatts wrote:


We should all read 97.315 *in it's entirety*, and consider 97.315(b)(3),

(b) The requirement of paragraph (a) does not apply if one or more
of the following conditions are met:
(1) ...
(2) ...
(3) The amplifier is sold to an amateur radio operator or to a dealer,
the amplifier is purchased in used condition by a dealer,
or *the amplifier is sold to an amateur radio operator for use at that
operator's station*.


This (the emphasized) says to me that as an amateur licensee I can use
any amplifier as long as I observe amateur emission regulations.

Respectfully,
Galen, W8LNA




All of 97.315:

[Revised as of October 1, 2007]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 47CFR97.315]
Sec. 97.315 Certification of external RF power amplifiers.

(a) Any external RF power amplifier (see Sec. 2.815 of the FCC
Rules) manufactured or imported for use at an amateur radio station must
be certificated for use in the amateur service in accordance with
subpart J of part 2 of the FCC Rules. No amplifier capable of operation
below 144 MHz may be constructed or modified by a non-amateur service
licensee without a grant of certification from the FCC.
(b) The requirement of paragraph (a) does not apply if one or more
of the following conditions are met:
(1) The amplifier is constructed or modified by an amateur radio
operator for use at an amateur station.
(2) The amplifier was manufactured before April 28, 1978, and has
been issued a marketing waiver by the FCC, or the amplifier was
purchased before April 28, 1978, by an amateur radio operator for use at
that operator's station.
(3) The amplifier is sold to an amateur radio operator or to a
dealer, the amplifier is purchased in used condition by a dealer, or the
amplifier is sold to an amateur radio operator for use at that
operator's station.
(c) Any external RF power amplifier appearing in the Commission's
database as certificated for use in the amateur service may be marketed
for use in the amateur service.


OK, I think I got it now. The only things no longer allowed a

1) Stealing an amp rather than buying it.

2) Direct sales from a manufacturer or importer to anyone other than an
amateur or a dealer.

The dealer loophole means that 97.315 is a total waste of ink and paper.

73,
Gene
W4SZ

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Gene Fuller wrote:

...
OK, I think I got it now. The only things no longer allowed a

1) Stealing an amp rather than buying it.

2) Direct sales from a manufacturer or importer to anyone other than an
amateur or a dealer.

The dealer loophole means that 97.315 is a total waste of ink and paper.

73,
Gene
W4SZ


Now, while I think No. 1, "Stealing an amp rather than buying it", is,
quite obviously, illegal, why in the world should one be required to be
an amateur to purchase ANY, SPECIFIC, piece/module/system of electronic
equipment??? There 'ya go, that "want for common sense" crops up once
again!

Could you, EXACTLY, explain the logic in that to me? I am waiting ...
(or, No. 2, above)

Regards,
JS

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John Smith wrote:

...
Now, while I think No. 1, "Stealing an amp rather than buying it", is,
quite obviously, illegal, why in the world should one be required to be
an amateur to purchase ANY, SPECIFIC, piece/module/system of electronic
equipment??? There 'ya go, that "want for common sense" crops up once
again!

Could you, EXACTLY, explain the logic in that to me? I am waiting ...
(or, No. 2, above)

Regards,
JS

Well, hold on, just got in from a road trip to Sacto, CA, have had time
to "cool down."

I will exclude any mechanical/electrical/electronic/esoteric/etc.,
strategic/military/etc. equipment of importance from that question ...
amateur equipment is FREE of those restrictions, IMHO ...

Regards,
JS

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John Smith wrote:

And, between:

mechanical/electrical/electronic/esoteric/etc.

and:

strategic/military/etc.

put an "of"

Geesh, I am getting old ... but the "spirit" ain't (or is that isn't)
getting tired, yet!

Regards,
JS

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John Smith wrote:
Gene Fuller wrote:

...
OK, I think I got it now. The only things no longer allowed a

1) Stealing an amp rather than buying it.

2) Direct sales from a manufacturer or importer to anyone other than
an amateur or a dealer.

The dealer loophole means that 97.315 is a total waste of ink and paper.

73,
Gene
W4SZ


Now, while I think No. 1, "Stealing an amp rather than buying it", is,
quite obviously, illegal, why in the world should one be required to be
an amateur to purchase ANY, SPECIFIC, piece/module/system of electronic
equipment??? There 'ya go, that "want for common sense" crops up once
again!

Could you, EXACTLY, explain the logic in that to me? I am waiting ...
(or, No. 2, above)

Regards,
JS

I have never made any comment about what "should" be the law.

What appears is that 97.315 is now totally useless for any purpose. It
is no longer necessary for any manufacturer or importer to get a
certification for external RF amps as long as they sell such items only
to amateurs (OK) or "dealers". I don't know if the FCC defines the term
"dealer" or if there are any restrictions on what "dealers" may sell.

This section of the law was originally intended to minimize the number
of high powered amps available for CB use. It now appears that the only
requirement for legal sale of such amps is that they pass through a
"dealer". Usage is another question, but how many multi-kW CBers would
worry about that?

73,
Gene
W4SZ

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Gene Fuller wrote:

...
I have never made any comment about what "should" be the law.

What appears is that 97.315 is now totally useless for any purpose. It
is no longer necessary for any manufacturer or importer to get a
certification for external RF amps as long as they sell such items only
to amateurs (OK) or "dealers". I don't know if the FCC defines the term
"dealer" or if there are any restrictions on what "dealers" may sell.

This section of the law was originally intended to minimize the number
of high powered amps available for CB use. It now appears that the only
requirement for legal sale of such amps is that they pass through a
"dealer". Usage is another question, but how many multi-kW CBers would
worry about that?

73,
Gene
W4SZ

Gene;

Perhaps I have "had a bad day." Or, perhaps I was "too quick." Or,
perhaps my understanding was lacking, etc. ...

Well, I certainly see no reason that a CB'er exceeding 5w is NOT in
violation of the law.

But to your question, "... how many multi-kW CBers would worry about that?"

My answer:

Every damn one that is breaking that law! Either pay the fines, do the
time, or change that law! (or, "we" change it.)

I stand corrected, I did not have the "beef" with you, it seems, I had
imagined ... I crawl back to my hole ... I stand corrected ... please
accept my apologies.

Warm regards,
JS

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"Gene Fuller" wrote in message
...
John Smith wrote:
Gene Fuller wrote:

...
OK, I think I got it now. The only things no longer allowed a

1) Stealing an amp rather than buying it.

2) Direct sales from a manufacturer or importer to anyone other than an
amateur or a dealer.

The dealer loophole means that 97.315 is a total waste of ink and paper.

73,
Gene
W4SZ


Now, while I think No. 1, "Stealing an amp rather than buying it", is,
quite obviously, illegal, why in the world should one be required to be
an amateur to purchase ANY, SPECIFIC, piece/module/system of electronic
equipment??? There 'ya go, that "want for common sense" crops up once
again!

Could you, EXACTLY, explain the logic in that to me? I am waiting ...
(or, No. 2, above)

Regards,
JS

I have never made any comment about what "should" be the law.

What appears is that 97.315 is now totally useless for any purpose. It is
no longer necessary for any manufacturer or importer to get a
certification for external RF amps as long as they sell such items only to
amateurs (OK) or "dealers". I don't know if the FCC defines the term
"dealer" or if there are any restrictions on what "dealers" may sell.

This section of the law was originally intended to minimize the number of
high powered amps available for CB use. It now appears that the only
requirement for legal sale of such amps is that they pass through a
"dealer". Usage is another question, but how many multi-kW CBers would
worry about that?

73,
Gene
W4SZ

rules to limit non-amateur use of transmitters and amps should be other
places anyway so its probably just as well that part 97 doesn't really limit
what a ham can use. we are, after all, the ones who have to pass the
technical exams and follow relatively technical rules. So we should be able
to use whatever we can operate within our allocated frequencies, modes and
powers. As opposed to fixed channel, power limited, appliances that are the
legal radios for other services.