John Smith wrote:

Gene;

Perhaps I have "had a bad day." Or, perhaps I was "too quick." Or,
perhaps my understanding was lacking, etc. ...

Well, I certainly see no reason that a CB'er exceeding 5w is NOT in
violation of the law.

But to your question, "... how many multi-kW CBers would worry about
that?"

My answer:

Every damn one that is breaking that law! Either pay the fines, do the
time, or change that law! (or, "we" change it.)

I stand corrected, I did not have the "beef" with you, it seems, I had
imagined ... I crawl back to my hole ... I stand corrected ... please
accept my apologies.

Warm regards,
JS

Uhhh, perhaps with some explanation ... darn that thinking ... although
I used to be an Alter Boy, it didn't take ... :-(

I did drive truck, decades ago ... I have exceeded power levels/freqs
(dates, freqs, power-levels and times withheld to protect "the innocent"
....)

What can I say?; some occupations come with "liabilities" ... ;-)

Regards,
JS

On 29 Jul 2008 05:20:36 GMT, Ed
wrote:


If you ever think about posting to the moderated group, don't ...

Here is an example of a censored post, of mine:

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A 5 KW amplifier is not lawful for use under Part 97. Please strike
reference on any resubmit. - K3FU



I'm pretty sure a ham CAN use a 5KW PA, as long as he limits the power
out to the maximum allowed under our FCC rules. Its not the hardware
that is not permited, its the actual power out that counts.

Ed K7AAT

The relevant language in part 97 is that the available power to the
final amplifier stage must not exceed 1 kW for armature use. Other
jurisdictions have their own rules.

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:45:19 GMT, Bruce in alaska
wrote:

In article ,
Cecil Moore wrote:

John Smith quoted someone:
"A 5 KW amplifier is not lawful for use under Part 97."

Back in the 60's, a ham friend of mine ran a
surplus AM transmitter capable of 10KW output.
However, he never adjusted his input power to
more than the legal 1KW limit.

Whom, ever "Someone" is, he isn't versed in 47CFR97, and doesn't
understand, or can't comprehend, the actual Rule that Part 97
operations are REQUIRED to operate under. Specifically Part
97.313. I wonder if "Said Person" has ever actually READ
47CFR90.313? Apparently NOT......

For all you disinterested parties

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_20...7cfr90.313.htm



[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 47, Volume 5]
[Revised as of October 1, 2007]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 47CFR90.313]

[Page 390]

TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION

CHAPTER I--FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION (CONTINUED)

PART 90_PRIVATE LAND MOBILE RADIO SERVICES--Table of Contents

Subpart L_Authorization in the Band 470 512 MHz (UHF-TV Sharing)

Sec. 90.313 Frequency loading criteria.

(a) Except as provided for in paragraph (b) of this section, the
maximum channel loading on frequencies in the 470-512 MHz band is as
follows:
(1) 50 units for systems eligible in the Public Safety Pool (see
Sec. 90.20(a)).
(2) 90 units for systems eligible in the Industrial/Business Pool
(see Sec. 90.35(a)).
(b) If a licensee has exclusive use of a frequency, then the
loading
standards in paragraph (a) of this section, may be exceeded. If it is
a
shared channel, the loading standards can be exceeded upon submission
of
a signed statement by all those sharing the channel agreeing to the
increase.
(c) A unit is defined as a mobile transmitter-receiver. Loading
standards will be applied in terms of the number of units actually in
use or to be placed in use within 8 months following authorization. A
licensee will be required to show that an assigned frequency pair is
at
full capacity before it may be assigned a second or additional
frequency
pair. Channel capacity may be reached either by the requirements of a
single licensee or by several users sharing a channel. Until a channel
is loaded to capacity it will be available for assignment to other
users
in the same area. A frequency pair may be reassigned at distances 64
km.
(40 mi.), 32 km. (20 mi.) for Channel 15, Chicago; Channel 20,
Philadelphia; and Channel 17, Washington, or more from the location of
base stations authorized on that pair without reference to loading at
the point of original installation. Following authorization, the
licensee shall notify the Commission either during or at the close of
the 8 month period of the number of units in operation. In the
Industrial Radio Services, if the base station facility is to be used
by
more than a single licensee, the frequency assigned to it will not be
reassigned for use by another facility within 64 km. (40 mi.) or 32
km.
(20 mi.) where applicable for a period of 12 months, Provided, That
the
facility is constructed within 90 days from the date of the first
grant,
meets the loading standards to at least 50 percent within 9 months,
and
meets all loading standards within 12 months.

[43 FR 54791, Nov. 22, 1978, as amended at 47 FR 36649, Aug. 23, 1982;
62 FR 18933, Apr. 17, 1997]

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:42:44 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Bruce in alaska wrote:
Whom, ever "Someone" is, he isn't versed in 47CFR97, and doesn't
understand, or can't comprehend, the actual Rule that Part 97
operations are REQUIRED to operate under. Specifically Part
97.313. I wonder if "Said Person" has ever actually READ
47CFR90.313? Apparently NOT......

I fail to see how "never adjusting his input power to more
than the legal 1KW limit" violated 97.313.

Oh 97 instead of 90, see:

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_20...7cfr97.313.htm

John Smith wrote:

...
JS


Hey, the good ole' boys sent me another, unsolicited, email YEA! ;-)

I guess they expected me to post it here, as a follow-up; OK, I will:

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Michael Coslo wrote:
John Smith I wrote:
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...
"The market" spoke very clearly, in the form of comments
to FCC. The CTT proposal was overwhelmingly
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Sounds like a clear message from the market to me!

73 de Jim, N2EY


However, if a new market comes forth, one composed of amateurs
with
little or no knowledge of CW and only using digital voice and
digital
data transmission--it would be market controlled also, and one
would
suspect it would self-correct and frown on the use of the bands
for
wasteful analog and cw communications.

I would disagree. Those modes are not wasteful. On the other
hand, a
vision of using the HF bands for data transmission would indeed
be a way
of filling up our bands pretty quickly, and for not a lot of
gain. If
I'm interested in Data Transmission, I would design a system for
frequencies where there is less natural noise - VHF and up. Then
bandwidth issues would be less of a problem too.


Let's face it, digital voice is the only way to go.

I would disagree. What I have seen in digital voice so far
offers no
particular advantage over SSB, unless we are talking about
digital for
it's own sake. Most schemes that I have seen have some fatal
flaws, such
as the received transmission must be received in toto - IOW if
you don't
catch the beginning, you don't catch anything. The solution to that
would be channelizing HF, or assigning specific frequencies to
Digital
voice. In addition, unless there have been some big advances
recently,
Digital voice does not have any particular bandwidth advantages.

Give me a Digital voice mode that I can tune across the band and
pick up
a conversation at any point in the transmission, and a 1 KHz or less
bandwidth signal, and then I'll be interested. And of course,
I'll need
to see that some other folks are buying the digital radios too,
so I'll
have people to talk to.

PSK is too slow for
data transmission of LARGE and multi-megabyte amounts of data,
end of
story.

As for PSK, you are correct that it is too slow for data
transmission. But that little 31 baud signal was never intended
for Data
transmission. It was intended for correctable text at a rate that a
reasonably proficient typist could tap away at the keyboard in real
time. Also a mode that can be efficiently operated at QRP and lover
levels. And for that, it is an excellent mode.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -


Really?

I see many QSO's taking place on ONE FREQ. The packets would contain a
crc number AND a serial no. denoting the conversation they pertain too,
as well as a no. indicating their logical place in decoding ...

Presently, only one QSO can take place on a single freq ...

NO, wasteful is MOST ACCURATE, only the ignorant need respond without
fully educating themselves ...

JS

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Wouldn't ya' rather stab the person who drafted it with a pen?
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Dr.Ace wrote:
Does anyone know how to modify a QRO 2500DX amplifier to work on
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meter band ?

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.


It should already cover 10:

http://www.qrotec.com/spec25m3.html

If it doesn't cover 11 meters, it probably has some type of "notch
filter" which needs removing ...

--
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DUH!!!

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rec.radio.amateur.moderated Admin wrote:

...

oOoo

If you get my drift ...

JS



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Mike Coslo wrote:

...
The idea that various unlicensed users can "overlay" on top of
licensed ones, and that the whole business of licensing and
regulation
can be relaxed, sounds pretty good at first.

It only sounds good to those who believe in ideology based physics.

...
- 73 d eMike N3LI -


One mans' science is another mans' "magic", I guess ...

Increasing the data which a band of freqs, or even bands of freqs, can
send/receive by 10x?, 100x?, 1000x? or ???x is not a good thing?

The future is compressed data/voice/video/etc. packets--the present use
of the amateur bands stands in vivid contrast, when efficiency is
considered, to most all other forms of communications these days--this
condition will only worsen with time. (analog am/fm radio will, most
likely, fall within the next decade.)

Certainly amateur radio will not be able to justify another decade of
its present "modes." And, certainly no more freqs will be granted
amateurs until the efficient use of the present bands is maximized
and a
real need demonstrated.

Resistance is futile. -- The Borg.

P.S. I hear they kill the bearer of bad news here ...

Regards,
JS

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order. vk2cjc.


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wrote:

...
None of this means Amateur Radio must never ever connect to the 'net
or to other communications systems. What it does mean is that such
connections are an enhancement and/or interface, not a
replacement for
"A Boy And His Radio" (to use K0HB's phrase).

73 de Jim, N2EY


N2EY/Jim:

Well, perhaps this will be classified as a, "Yes; I agree post" and be
banned from posting. But, here goes ...

Your post was simply eloquent. It drew a complete picture for
me--krist, I will be honest with you, for a minute there, you took me
back to 12 years old and I remembered the promise of discovery! ... I
can really appreciate that!

Yes. I too was led to this path by the "romance" and "mysticism" of
radio and the lure of speaking to individuals in far away
places--constructions and experiments with electronic
parts/gear/techniques/army-surplus/etc. and antenna hardware, etc.
There is nothing wrong in enjoying these things.

You don't just have a right to enjoy such things, nor do you JUST enjoy
a right to explain them to others so they may find and enjoy them--you
have a GOD GIVEN RIGHT to these things!

I can only support you in your endeavors and exercise(s) of your
pursuit(s.) Don't be surprised if I am fond of your enjoyment of
radio,
and also can realize such enjoyments--still, even at my age ...

However, I also enjoy other paths/uses of such a remarkable pastime as
radio ... in short, the net can add to these enjoyments; your
statement,
above, affirms our agreement to that ... remember the three blind men
and the elephant--we are SO different, perhaps, in our views, but also
SO alike ...

Perhaps, you Phil and I--and others, should see ourselves as simply
travelers upon the same path--everyone is simply enjoying the view of
different "things" along our walkabout ... I suspect, I might miss what
you find--unless you discuss them with me, thanks for taking the time
and reminding me!

Warm regards,
JS

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Phil Kane wrote:

...
There are still some of us who cling to the motto "When all else
fails...amateur radio". My concept of ham radio is to be free from
any non-ham intermediary transmission systems.
--

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

e-mail: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net


THAT is just too much of a romantics and dreamers vision for me. In
such times, where there is a "catastrophic failure of civilization" (I
mean, this is the only thing I can imagine which would hold the drama
you suggest)--trust me, if you can find someone to trade that rig to
for
a gun, a loaf of bread, some medicine for your family, shelter,
bedding,
etc., take them up on it! If you think food, medicine, fuel for
heat/cooling and shelter are going to be in demand--just try hunting up
a hot 220V outlet ...

Amateur radio did little to alleviate human suffering, pain, needs and
rescue in the New Orleans disaster--I suspect the highly specific
disaster you envision will never come, but if it does, temporary cell
towers on trailers (you know they have them, right) will be more
suited--or, as I have stated before--truckers with CB's (heck, solar
powered lowfers and QRP'ers may look good!) But hey, I have seen
Hollywood writers make a fortune selling this line, many books have
contained these ideas also--rescue by radio! ... a lot of scifi flicks
have an amateur radio in the background also--yep, I have read 'em and
watched 'em ... :-)

But then, you never know, we could be invaded by Canada or Mexico
tomorrow and find we are fresh out of nukes!

Now, all that said, I DO plan on keeping my KW+ and 5KW amps ... ya
never know, ya just never know ... but power for them, in such a
disaster? :-(

I just hope a few feds/state-workers are left to see some temp cell
towers set up ...

Regards,
JS

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Regards,
JS