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Roy Lewallen · August 14th 08, 12:10 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna

KJ4DIY wrote:

The correct plural form of Antenna is Antennae.
I you prefer Antennas fine I have been told recently by an Elmer that
this was the correct term.
The question here is not grammar but staying on topic for this forum.
I'm not trying to cause an argument we have different forums so
everyone can have there say.
Let’s just stay on the topics of each forum.
73's

I'm curious how you arrived at the "correctness" of antennae.

Miriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Eleventh Ed., lists both plural
forms. Random House Webster's Unabridged Dictionary, Second Ed.,
explicitly states that antennae is plural for the appendages on insects,
and antennas is plural for the electromagnetic device. These different
plural usages are by far the most common in my experience. I only
occasionally see "antennae" to describe radio antennas, mostly in very
old texts or when used by an academic -- or rraa poster -- trying to
emphasize his distance from the hoi polloi.

Your reference for "correctness" didn't happen to be a zoology text, did it?

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Roy Lewallen · August 14th 08, 01:33 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna

One additional point.

On my bookshelf a

_Antennas_ (Kraus), _Physical Design of Yagi Antennas_ (Leeson), _HF
Antennas for All Locations_ (Moxon), _Antennas and Transmission Lines_
(Kuecken), _Radiowave Propagation and Antennas for Personal
Communcations_ (Siwak), _Lines, Waves, and Antennas_ (Brown et al),
_Antennas and Waves_ (King and Harrison), _Transmission Lines, Antennas,
and Wave Guides_ (King et al), _Directional Broadcast Antennas_
(Layton), and _TV and Other Receiving Antennas_ (Bailey).

Other books have "Antennas" in chapter titles, e.g., in _Antenna
Engineering Handbook_ (Johnson) we find "Loop Antennas", "Small
Antennas", "Microstrip Antennas", "Leaky-Wave Antennas", and so forth.

I don't have a single text with "Antennae" in the title, chapter
heading, or body. But then, I don't have any entomology texts at all.

If "antennae" is to be the "correct" plural for radio antenna, an awful
lot of very well known authors and publishers need to be made aware of it.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Jeff · August 14th 08, 09:36 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna

The OED lists 'antennas' as an acceptable plural for radio aerials, (but not
insect feelers)

Jeff

"Roy Lewallen" wrote in message
treetonline...
One additional point.

On my bookshelf a

_Antennas_ (Kraus), _Physical Design of Yagi Antennas_ (Leeson), _HF
Antennas for All Locations_ (Moxon), _Antennas and Transmission Lines_
(Kuecken), _Radiowave Propagation and Antennas for Personal Communcations_
(Siwak), _Lines, Waves, and Antennas_ (Brown et al), _Antennas and Waves_
(King and Harrison), _Transmission Lines, Antennas, and Wave Guides_ (King
et al), _Directional Broadcast Antennas_ (Layton), and _TV and Other
Receiving Antennas_ (Bailey).

Other books have "Antennas" in chapter titles, e.g., in _Antenna
Engineering Handbook_ (Johnson) we find "Loop Antennas", "Small Antennas",
"Microstrip Antennas", "Leaky-Wave Antennas", and so forth.

I don't have a single text with "Antennae" in the title, chapter heading,
or body. But then, I don't have any entomology texts at all.

If "antennae" is to be the "correct" plural for radio antenna, an awful
lot of very well known authors and publishers need to be made aware of it.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

KJ4DIY · August 14th 08, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Smith

Cecil Moore wrote:

...
For the members of the amateur radio community who are
insects, your Elmer is correct. :-)

I can tell you HAVE been doing your research! grin

THIS:

* (pl., antennae). Pair of segmented appendages (feelers) located on
head and sensory in function (Fig. 1).
http://www.sidney.ars.usda.gov/grass...e/Glossary.htm

* One of a pair of sensory appendages on each side of an insect's head.
http://www.frankstehno.com/sagemesa/...rms/aterms.htm

* (plural antennae) The sensory organs on the head. Stag beetles have
two antennae or 'feelers' with a characteristic shape at the end, which
is the same for all the beetles that belong to the Lucanidae family. It
is with their antennae that stag beetles pick up important pheromone
signals.
maria.fremlin.de/stagbeetles/glossary.html

* Antennae (singular antenna) are paired appendages connected to the
front-most segments of arthropods. In crustaceans, they are biramous and
present on the first two segments of the head, with the smaller pair
known as antennules. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antenna (biology)

* A feeler organ on the head of an insect, crab, or other animal; A
device to receive or transmit radio-frequency signal by converting
electromagnetic radiation into electrical signal; The faculty of
intuitive astuteness
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/antenna

THESE FOUND HE

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...na&btnG=Search

AND, THAT PAGE FOUND WITH THIS GOOGLE SEARCH TERM:

define:antenna

Gawd I had it when we get bored ... ;-)

Regards,
JS

I concede the point of grammar ok?
The original point was not whether the correct plural form of antenna is antennas.
One antenna and two antennas ok?
This forum is about antennas not songs that was my point.
Why can’t we stay on topic?
I’m a new Ham and want to learn more about Antennas.
I have been an Amateur for 4 months and went from Tech to Extra in 2 ½ months aced all 3 tests.
My interest is becoming the best Amateur Radio Operator I can be.
Along this line I’m looking for help, at age 64 it is just as important to me as it is to a 10 year old Amateur.
73's

John Smith · August 14th 08, 08:35 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna

KJ4DIY wrote:

...
I concede the point of grammar ok?
The original point was not whether the correct plural form of antenna
is antennas.
One antenna and two antennas ok?
This forum is about antennas not songs that was my point.
Why can’t we stay on topic?
I’m a new Ham and want to learn more about Antennas.
I have been an Amateur for 4 months and went from Tech to Extra in 2 ½
months aced all 3 tests.
My interest is becoming the best Amateur Radio Operator I can be.
Along this line I’m looking for help, at age 64 it is just as important
to me as it is to a 10 year old Amateur.
73's

Well then, inundate us with your exuberance, recently aquired knowledge
(on topic of course, and all of your questions just screaming for
answers (on topic of course)--your "speculations" of antenna(s) (or
possibly, in your case, antennae) could also, possibly, be appreciated
(on topic of course!)

For the rest of us bored "news-groupers", well ... I know you find it in
your heart to forgive me/us/them. ;-)

As far as grammar goes--I am not big on it; if I can "get your 'Jest' "
(yes, a bit of pun), I'll be satisfied ...

Regards,
JS

J. Mc Laughlin · August 14th 08, 09:20 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna

Dear Howard KJ4DIY:

Your goal is commendable. An excellent start is to read the ARRL's Antenna
Book. It will teach and inform about most of the breadth of antennas and
their issues. Depth of understanding may be found in Kraus' Antennas (3rd
Edition), which is an excellent textbook with examples. However, it is a
college level text. Success in your quest. 73, Mac N8TT

--
J. McLaughlin; Michigan, USA
Home:

"KJ4DIY" wrote in message
...

snip

I concede the point of grammar ok?
The original point was not whether the correct plural form of antenna
is antennas.
One antenna and two antennas ok?
This forum is about antennas not songs that was my point.
Why can't we stay on topic?
I'm a new Ham and want to learn more about Antennas.
I have been an Amateur for 4 months and went from Tech to Extra in 2 ½
months aced all 3 tests.
My interest is becoming the best Amateur Radio Operator I can be.
Along this line I'm looking for help, at age 64 it is just as important
to me as it is to a 10 year old Amateur.
73's

--
KJ4DIY

Sal M. Onella · August 15th 08, 06:49 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna

"KJ4DIY" wrote in message
...

I'm a new Ham and want to learn more about Antennas.
I have been an Amateur for 4 months and went from Tech to Extra in 2 ½
months aced all 3 tests.
My interest is becoming the best Amateur Radio Operator I can be.
Along this line I'm looking for help, at age 64 it is just as important
to me as it is to a 10 year old Amateur.

73's
KJ4DIY

Welcome.

I've been licensed for 15 years and passed Extra last year. Never aced
anything. My scores belong in the Witness Protection Program.

ARRL Operating Manual is good source for beginners. www.arrl.org/catalog
and http://www.arrl.org/catalog/index.ph...gory=Operating

Also, http://www.arrl.org/catalog/?item=1018#top for the ARRL Handbook.
(Can't tell why it's listed separately.) Not everybody likes the ARRL. I
do.

Much useful info shows up in the newsgroups. Just keep your mental filters
switched on.

73,
"Sal"
(KD6VKW -- "Vicious Killer Weasel")

Michael Coslo · August 15th 08, 03:54 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna

KJ4DIY wrote:

Why can’t we stay on topic?

That is the age old question with the newsgroups, Howard.

I’m a new Ham and want to learn more about Antennas.

It is possible that you are fairly new to Netnews. While a place to
learn and teach and have fun, it is also largely unregulated. So we get
a fairly high noise to signal ratio.

In addition to the off topic forays, many of our more accomplished
members have favorite topics that can go on for quite a while, long past
any real reason, just tit for tat comments.

The best strategy is to just accept that there will be off topic and
run-on threads in the newsgroup, and either filter or otherwise ignore them.

That in no way means that you can't tweak someone once in a while! hehe

I have been an Amateur for 4 months and went from Tech to Extra in 2 ½
months aced all 3 tests.
My interest is becoming the best Amateur Radio Operator I can be.
Along this line I’m looking for help, at age 64 it is just as important
to me as it is to a 10 year old Amateur.

A general rule of thumb is to post a question, and the first few
answers will be the relevant ones. After that all bets are off.

Regarding the age thing, It is an excellent hobby/avocation for a
retiree or young ham. I got into the ARS later than some, at 46 years
old, but it's all good.

You might want to try out rec.radio.amateur. moderated also.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

John Smith · August 16th 08, 01:01 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna

Michael Coslo wrote:

...
You might want to try out rec.radio.amateur. moderated also.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

Yeah!

Or, to put it another way, if you are thin skinned, an idiot, or just
shallow, give the moderated chan a try and attempt to join with the
"good ole' boys."

Personally, I consider them to be a group of idiots with NO EQUAL--your
mileage may vary--good luck ... ;-0

Be forewarned, they worship at "The Cross Of The arrl!" ... grin

Regards,
JS

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