On Sep 2, 10:22*am, Ian White GM3SEK wrote:
Dan wrote:
On Sep 1, 4:20*am, Ian White GM3SEK wrote:
Dan wrote:
On Aug 31, 3:07*pm, Ian White GM3SEK wrote:
Dan wrote:
On Aug 28, 2:26*am, Ian White GM3SEK wrote:

In other words, people with limited antenna opportunities are often the
ones who need a balun - or more accurately, a common-mode choke - the
MOST.
Technically I would have to disagree with calling even a 1:1 balun the
same thing as a common mode choke. *A CM choke is an EMI prevention
device intended to filter out RF components generated in a circuit,
away from the feed of a power source, usually an electrical mains.

That is too far narrow a definition *of a "common mode choke",
especially the reference to electrical mains. The term is widely applied
to transmission line for both digital data and analog RF signals.

A common mode choke is used in RF applications, very true, but it
serves a filtering purpose,
not a conversion of unbalanced to balanced energy transfer or vice
versa. A common mode choke that operates well will turn
unwanted RF into heat or cause it to dissipate in its core or a
resistor etc..

Common-mode chokes, and filters in general, do NOT aim to "turn unwanted
RF into heat"! That is a total misunderstanding of the whole concept.

A CM choke aims to present a high impedence to unintentional RF. Once
"choked" by the high impedance,
the enrgey must either reflect or be aborbed somewhere in the circuit
or the core as real power. What is it that you cannot
understand about the term "choke"?

I'm slightly encouraged that the key word "reflected" has now crept into
your description. It wasn't there in what you wrote previously.

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In a perfect situation, with a balanced feedline, the only kind of
current and voltage you have IS common mode!

What??? *You know that statement didn't come out right, so how much of
the rest did you really mean?

I give up! You need some education in this area.

I give up too - *at last, something we can agree about.

My main worry is that anyone *else* might have tried to gain some
education from your confused statements on this particular topic.

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Many US amateurs do not understand how a balun works. I expected
something better from our European counterparts who seem to understand
power transmission
concepts better than their US counterparts.