Art Unwin wrote:
Personally I see both interactions as being one and the same thing.

If you mean that they have been unified, that is correct.

In the path to this segment it infers the weak force
is also in free space and it is that I do not understand, ...

Understand that free space is not empty. There
exists a quantum structure about which not much
is yet understood. Google "dark mass" and
"dark energy". Everything that we can see and
measure appears to be about 5% of what exists.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

On Sep 15, 12:17*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
Personally I see both interactions as being one and the same thing.

If you mean that they have been unified, that is correct.

In the path to this segment it infers the weak force
is also in free space and it is that I do not understand, ...

Understand that free space is not empty. There
exists a quantum structure about which not much
is yet understood. Google "dark mass" and
"dark energy". Everything that we can see and
measure appears to be about 5% of what exists.
--
73, Cecil *http://www.w5dxp.com

That theory does seem to explain some recent observations. However, it
is still theory, not absolute fact as you seem to proclaim above
("THERE EXISTS A QUANTUM STRUCTURE about which not much is yet
understood"). The structure may or may not exist. I have no problem
with it since nothing says that all matter must be in the form of
nuclei, protons that can be combined in an orderly manner to form
something large enough that we can "see". In fact, it likely does not
exist physically as "matter"; rather, the theory is simply a concept
that explains some observations. Given that matter is 'anything that
occupies space AND has mass" dark "matter" could be any entity (like
energy, that is a known entity) that can be shown to have a mass
equivalent and behaves like mass under certain conditions as photons
do. Certainly we are a long way from saying that this is an ether or
medium that supports the transmission of TEM waves.

wrote:
The structure may or may not exist.

Think about it. If you were somewhere where the
structure of space didn't exist, you would be
outside of the boundaries of our universe.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

On Sep 15, 11:04*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:
The structure may or may not exist.

Think about it. If you were somewhere where the
structure of space didn't exist, you would be
outside of the boundaries of our universe.
--
73, Cecil *http://www.w5dxp.com

You must be assuming that the structure of exotic matter has been
proven to form part of the structure of conventional space. OK, but
that is a great logical leap from theory to fact. Your assertion is
only true if exotic matter truly exists in conventional space. Maybe
it does, maybe it doesn't. Actually, nothing of the sort has been
proven. Far from it. All we know is that in astronomical observations,
extremly large amounts of conventional matter seem to be affected by
gravitational effects, positive or negative depending on theory, by
some invisible entity that behaves as positive or even negative
matter. For convenience sake, some physicists invented the term exotic
or dark matter which may be nothing but a placeholder for some other
entity that behaves like matter which advances their concept but which
we do not understand yet. The observations in no way have confirmed
that it IS matter.

Now, IF it doesn't exist, and I don't believe it does except in
perhaps a virtual sense, then I am still fully inside each of the
boundaries of the 4 accepted dimensions of this Universe.

wrote:

...
Now, IF it doesn't exist, and I don't believe it does except in
perhaps a virtual sense, then I am still fully inside each of the
boundaries of the 4 accepted dimensions of this Universe.

Everything we see and hear are brought to us by waves.

If you have trouble with that, explain how polarizing light filters work
with bullets (shooting photons), or how the different wavelengths of
light can be "filtered" (or do you claim these filters are really
"photon sorters? i.e. 'bullet sorters!'") LOL

Why in the h*ll would you bypass a theory which explained the
frequencies of RF (the freqs BETWEEN audio and light) with a totally
different theory?

I tell you, "Some minds BOGGLE the mind!" ROFLOL

Regards,
JS

wrote:

...
Now, IF it doesn't exist, and I don't believe it does except in
perhaps a virtual sense, then I am still fully inside each of the
boundaries of the 4 accepted dimensions of this Universe.

Somehow, you would have to first scrape all present knowledge/theories
and "go back to square one."

As, all theories, even the big bang, count on all matter being "ripped"
from the fabric of space/time itself ... somehow, someway ...

And, while there is the "string theory", this theory still depends on
some type of "particles vibrating." And, the thrust of the whole
argument becomes whether it is the construction of matter itself from
these particles which define "matters properties", or it is "vibrations"
of these particles which define the property matter holds ...

Either way, you begin with some type of particle ... a type of particle
we cannot prove the existence of--yet.

Regards,
JS

wrote:
Now, IF it doesn't exist, and I don't believe it does except in
perhaps a virtual sense, then I am still fully inside each of the
boundaries of the 4 accepted dimensions of this Universe.

Do you really think that your beliefs have an effect
on reality? Why are your unproved personal opinions
so much more valuable and valid than my unproved
personal opinions?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:
The structure may or may not exist.

Think about it. If you were somewhere where the
structure of space didn't exist, you would be
outside of the boundaries of our universe.

I cannot call "that one" one way or another ... I cannot think of a
model to even give me a clue ...

What is your take on that? Is there "a place of true nothing?" I mean,
would the matter from our universe "go there?"; if by no other means,
then by some "form of osmosis?" Or, is our expanding universe "going
there?"

Regards,
JS

John Smith wrote:
What is your take on that? Is there "a place of true nothing?" I mean,
would the matter from our universe "go there?"; if by no other means,
then by some "form of osmosis?" Or, is our expanding universe "going
there?"

This is covered by the "Bubble" or "Multiverse" theory.
Between the bubbles, outside of any worm holes, there
exists absolute nothing. An expanding universe "displaces"
the absolute nothing. A particle, like a photon, cannot
"go there" because there is no medium, i.e. no structure.

http://www.space-art.co.uk/pages-en/...-Universes.htm
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:

...
This is covered by the "Bubble" or "Multiverse" theory.
Between the bubbles, outside of any worm holes, there
exists absolute nothing. An expanding universe "displaces"
the absolute nothing. A particle, like a photon, cannot
"go there" because there is no medium, i.e. no structure.

http://www.space-art.co.uk/pages-en/...-Universes.htm

Hmmm, I have a hard time believing in this ... no harder than some have
believing in an ether ... LOL

Regards,
JS