Navy Antennas (was Tilted Pinball Antenna Theory)
 

On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:33:28 -0700, Richard Clark
wrote:

However, returning to my own recent shipboard experience and antennas
there, I will later today post a link to a dozen or so pictures. It
will include shots of Guss' Loops. I dare say several of these
pictures will provoke much head scratching (but only to those few
actually interested in antennas here in this forum).

http://home.comcast.net/~kb7qhc/antennas/navy/

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Navy Antennas (was Tilted Pinball Antenna Theory)
 

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:33:28 -0700, Richard Clark
wrote:

However, returning to my own recent shipboard experience and antennas
there, I will later today post a link to a dozen or so pictures. It
will include shots of Guss' Loops. I dare say several of these
pictures will provoke much head scratching (but only to those few
actually interested in antennas here in this forum).

http://home.comcast.net/~kb7qhc/antennas/navy/

I used to have the nomenclatures of all those antennas memorized, but, alas,
having gotten away from EMI inspections in 2003 and having fully retired
last year, all I can call to mind is the AS-2815/SSR-1 (your "Drooped Cross
Horizontal")

You zeroed in on some cryppie antennas. I rocognize the biconical dipole,
an HFDF antenna and a Rubicon antenna. They're often found together on an
Aegis cruiser. (Makes me want to put on my coveralls and get back out
there -- or maybe not.)

Navy Antennas (was Tilted Pinball Antenna Theory)
 

"Sal M. Onella" wrote in message
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"Richard Clark" wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:33:28 -0700, Richard Clark
wrote:

However, returning to my own recent shipboard experience and antennas
there, I will later today post a link to a dozen or so pictures. It
will include shots of Guss' Loops. I dare say several of these
pictures will provoke much head scratching (but only to those few
actually interested in antennas here in this forum).

http://home.comcast.net/~kb7qhc/antennas/navy/

I used to have the nomenclatures of all those antennas memorized, but,
alas,
having gotten away from EMI inspections in 2003 and having fully retired
last year, all I can call to mind is the AS-2815/SSR-1 (your "Drooped
Cross
Horizontal")

You zeroed in on some cryppie antennas. I rocognize the biconical dipole,
an HFDF antenna and a Rubicon antenna. They're often found together on an
Aegis cruiser. (Makes me want to put on my coveralls and get back out
there -- or maybe not.)

Hi "Sal"

I'd like to know more about the Drooped Cross
Horizontal"). Do you know the frequency it is designed for?

Jerry KD6JDJ

Navy Antennas (was Tilted Pinball Antenna Theory)
 

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:01:10 GMT, "Jerry"
wrote:


"Sal M. Onella" wrote in message
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"Richard Clark" wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:33:28 -0700, Richard Clark
wrote:

However, returning to my own recent shipboard experience and antennas
there, I will later today post a link to a dozen or so pictures. It
will include shots of Guss' Loops. I dare say several of these
pictures will provoke much head scratching (but only to those few
actually interested in antennas here in this forum).

http://home.comcast.net/~kb7qhc/antennas/navy/

I used to have the nomenclatures of all those antennas memorized, but,
alas,
having gotten away from EMI inspections in 2003 and having fully retired
last year, all I can call to mind is the AS-2815/SSR-1 (your "Drooped
Cross
Horizontal")

You zeroed in on some cryppie antennas. I rocognize the biconical dipole,
an HFDF antenna and a Rubicon antenna. They're often found together on an
Aegis cruiser. (Makes me want to put on my coveralls and get back out
there -- or maybe not.)

Hi "Sal"

I'd like to know more about the Drooped Cross
Horizontal"). Do you know the frequency it is designed for?

Jerry KD6JDJ


Hi Jerry,

I built a model of it, and from by guess and by golly, I presumed it
would be somewhere in the middle of the VHF/UHF Shipboard Band
(225-400 MHz) and made it resonant at 300 MHz (arbitrary selection,
mind you).

Let me know if you want a copy of that file.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Navy Antennas (was Tilted Pinball Antenna Theory)
 

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:35:02 -0700, "Sal M. Onella"
wrote:

You zeroed in on some cryppie antennas. I rocognize the biconical dipole,
an HFDF antenna and a Rubicon antenna. They're often found together on an
Aegis cruiser. (Makes me want to put on my coveralls and get back out
there -- or maybe not.)

There were more antennas to select from for posting, but they
inhabited higher frequencies and had less obvious structural elements
- like one I stood next to while the crew manned the rails. Not
crypto, per sé, but one of those spook traffic sniffers that was the
size of an industrial washing machine, sitting on the weather deck of
the forward superstructure. The CT Chief standing next to me pointed
it out.

The shipboard shots were either the USS Bunker Hill, or the USS
Princeton, AEGIS cruisers as you have already said.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Navy Antennas (was Tilted Pinball Antenna Theory)
 

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:35:02 -0700, "Sal M. Onella"
wrote:

all I can call to mind is the AS-2815/SSR-1 (your "Drooped Cross
Horizontal")

For those who want to see the specifics, use the nomenclature offered
and select at page:
http://www.combatindex.com/hardware/...nsor_main.html

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Navy Antennas (was Tilted Pinball Antenna Theory)
 

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:01:10 GMT, "Jerry"
wrote:


"Sal M. Onella" wrote in message
...

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:33:28 -0700, Richard Clark
wrote:

However, returning to my own recent shipboard experience and antennas
there, I will later today post a link to a dozen or so pictures. It
will include shots of Guss' Loops. I dare say several of these
pictures will provoke much head scratching (but only to those few
actually interested in antennas here in this forum).

http://home.comcast.net/~kb7qhc/antennas/navy/

I used to have the nomenclatures of all those antennas memorized, but,
alas,
having gotten away from EMI inspections in 2003 and having fully retired
last year, all I can call to mind is the AS-2815/SSR-1 (your "Drooped
Cross
Horizontal")

You zeroed in on some cryppie antennas. I rocognize the biconical
dipole,
an HFDF antenna and a Rubicon antenna. They're often found together on
an
Aegis cruiser. (Makes me want to put on my coveralls and get back out
there -- or maybe not.)

Hi "Sal"

I'd like to know more about the Drooped Cross
Horizontal"). Do you know the frequency it is designed for?

Jerry KD6JDJ


Hi Jerry,

I built a model of it, and from by guess and by golly, I presumed it
would be somewhere in the middle of the VHF/UHF Shipboard Band
(225-400 MHz) and made it resonant at 300 MHz (arbitrary selection,
mind you).

Let me know if you want a copy of that file.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Hi Richard

Yes, I sure would like to see your EZNEC file. I'd benefit from seeing
how you modeled it too.
The antenna looks like it iis designed for satellite reception.
It interests me to consider that the "DCA" that I developed would
(perhaps) be a design concept applicable to this operational requirement.

Jerry KD6JDJ

Navy Antennas (was Tilted Pinball Antenna Theory)
 

Jerry wrote:

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Hi Richard

Yes, I sure would like to see your EZNEC file. I'd benefit from seeing
how you modeled it too.
The antenna looks like it iis designed for satellite reception.
It interests me to consider that the "DCA" that I developed would
(perhaps) be a design concept applicable to this operational requirement.

Jerry KD6JDJ

Uhh, those eznec files, they are kinda like a high-school\college friend
recently explained to me in financial terms:

"If you have a sheet of paper claiming a "controlling interest in gold",
all you REALLY have is a sheet of paper! If you are looking at the gold
you are "invested" in, you REALLY HAVE the gold!" wink

But then, it is only when you realize there have been more "certificates
in 'controlling' interests in gold" issued than the amount of gold which
exists in the world, that, you suddenly awaken to a HARSH reality! (like
some have "been had!")

Read about "The Great Depression", I tell 'ya, there are clues to be had
there! I mean, really, it is the same old game, just new "marks!"
chuckle

Regards,
JS

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On Sep 15, 5:46*pm, John Smith wrote:
Jerry wrote:
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* Hi Richard

* Yes, I sure would like to see your EZNEC file. * I'd benefit from seeing
how you modeled it too.
* The antenna looks like it iis designed for satellite reception.
* It interests me to consider that the "DCA" that I developed would
(perhaps) be a design concept applicable to this operational requirement.

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"John Smith" wrote in message
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On Sep 15, 5:46 pm, John Smith wrote:
Jerry wrote:
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Hi Richard

Yes, I sure would like to see your EZNEC file. I'd benefit from seeing
how you modeled it too.
The antenna looks like it iis designed for satellite reception.
It interests me to consider that the "DCA" that I developed would
(perhaps) be a design concept applicable to this operational
requirement.

Jerry KD6JDJ

Uhh, those eznec files, they are kinda like a high-school\college friend
recently explained to me in financial terms:

"If you have a sheet of paper claiming a "controlling interest in gold",
all you REALLY have is a sheet of paper! If you are looking at the gold
you are "invested" in, you REALLY HAVE the gold!" wink

But then, it is only when you realize there have been more "certificates
in 'controlling' interests in gold" issued than the amount of gold which
exists in the world, that, you suddenly awaken to a HARSH reality! (like
some have "been had!")

Read about "The Great Depression", I tell 'ya, there are clues to be had
there! I mean, really, it is the same old game, just new "marks!"
chuckle

Regards,
JS

Hi John

You are right, this EZNEC antenna modeling program is like gold to anyone
interested in learning about antennas. You are additionally right about
the fact that all you need is a piece of paper (or monitor) to display
aspects of an antenna that would otherwise require thousands of dollars to
duplicate.

Jerry KD6JDJ