On Jan 10, 6:59*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

I gave the reasons for my line of thinking having gone thru the
routine of reading and accepting what the books say. You
spurned my statement giving no reason why it should not be
accepted.

Not so, Art.

The simplest reason that you should abandon your line of thinking
about there being no current reflection from the unterminated end
along the outside of all radiators is that such beliefs were proven
invalid by the measured results of Gihring and Brown over 70 years ago
-- as shown in the excerpt of their IRE paper which has been linked to
twice, now.

RF

"Richard Fry" wrote in message
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On Jan 10, 6:59 pm, Art Unwin wrote:

I gave the reasons for my line of thinking having gone thru the
routine of reading and accepting what the books say. You
spurned my statement giving no reason why it should not be
accepted.

Not so, Art.

The simplest reason that you should abandon your line of thinking
about there being no current reflection from the unterminated end
along the outside of all radiators is that such beliefs were proven
invalid by the measured results of Gihring and Brown over 70 years ago
-- as shown in the excerpt of their IRE paper which has been linked to
twice, now.

RF

the more it gets quoted the more he will consider it lemming talk and reject
it. art is in his own little world now, full of magical levitating
diamagnetic neutrinos and burrowing anti-eddy currents up the middle of
conductors... of course, where those currents go when they reach the
feedpoint would be an interesting thing to hear, maybe art can comment on
that for a while... they probably just jump up to the surface again and go
around in circles.

On Jan 11, 8:40*am, "Dave" wrote:
* "Richard Fry" wrote in ...
* On Jan 10, 6:59 pm, Art Unwin wrote:

* I gave the reasons for my line of thinking having gone thru the
* routine of reading and accepting what the books say. You
* spurned my statement giving no reason why it should not be
* accepted.

* Not so, Art.

* The simplest reason that you should abandon your line of thinking
* about there being no current reflection from the unterminated end
* along the outside of all radiators is that such beliefs were proven
* invalid by the measured results of Gihring and Brown over 70 years ago
* -- as shown in the excerpt of their IRE paper which has been linked to
* twice, now.

* RF

the more it gets quoted the more he will consider it lemming talk and reject
it. *art is in his own little world now, full of magical levitating
diamagnetic neutrinos and burrowing anti-eddy currents up the middle of
conductors... of course, where those currents go when they reach the
feedpoint would be an interesting thing to hear, maybe art can comment on
that for a while... they probably just jump up to the surface again and go
around in circles.

Pull your dress down your slip is showing

"Art Unwin" wrote in message
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On Jan 11, 8:40 am, "Dave" wrote:
"Richard Fry" wrote in
...
On Jan 10, 6:59 pm, Art Unwin wrote:

I gave the reasons for my line of thinking having gone thru the
routine of reading and accepting what the books say. You
spurned my statement giving no reason why it should not be
accepted.

Not so, Art.

The simplest reason that you should abandon your line of thinking
about there being no current reflection from the unterminated end
along the outside of all radiators is that such beliefs were proven
invalid by the measured results of Gihring and Brown over 70 years ago
-- as shown in the excerpt of their IRE paper which has been linked to
twice, now.

RF

the more it gets quoted the more he will consider it lemming talk and
reject
it. art is in his own little world now, full of magical levitating
diamagnetic neutrinos and burrowing anti-eddy currents up the middle of
conductors... of course, where those currents go when they reach the
feedpoint would be an interesting thing to hear, maybe art can comment
on
that for a while... they probably just jump up to the surface again and
go
around in circles.

Pull your dress down your slip is showing

so you can't even come up with another technical comeback? just got to
stoop all the way down to a cheap personal attack. I guess this thread is
over then since you have run out of fun things to say.

On Jan 11, 11:28*am, "Dave" wrote:
* "Art Unwin" wrote in ...
* On Jan 11, 8:40 am, "Dave" wrote:
* "Richard Fry" wrote in
...
* On Jan 10, 6:59 pm, Art Unwin wrote:
*
* I gave the reasons for my line of thinking having gone thru the
* routine of reading and accepting what the books say. You
* spurned my statement giving no reason why it should not be
* accepted.
*
* Not so, Art.
*
* The simplest reason that you should abandon your line of thinking
* about there being no current reflection from the unterminated end
* along the outside of all radiators is that such beliefs were proven
* invalid by the measured results of Gihring and Brown over 70 years ago
* -- as shown in the excerpt of their IRE paper which has been linked to
* twice, now.
*
* RF
*
* the more it gets quoted the more he will consider it lemming talk and
reject
* it. art is in his own little world now, full of magical levitating
* diamagnetic neutrinos and burrowing anti-eddy currents up the middle of
* conductors... of course, where those currents go when they reach the
* feedpoint would be an interesting thing to hear, maybe art can comment
on
* that for a while... they probably just jump up to the surface again and
go
* around in circles.

* Pull your dress down your slip is showing

so you can't even come up with another technical comeback? *just got to
stoop all the way down to a cheap personal attack. *I guess this thread is
over then since you have run out of fun things to say.

Nope
You have the solution in your own hands where you have total control
if you are able to use a antenna computer program.Many on this group
have an aversion to computers and thus rely on other means which puts
control
in book authors. If you have a similar aversion thats O.K.
For those who can use a computer they can determine for themselves if
antenna programs can be trusted or not. The exercise is totally in
their hands where they can manipulate the rules in any way
when using these programs. If it works out that this group cannot cope
with computers then the solution will not surface and thus reliance of
the truth resides some where else and not in their hands.
Simple, simple simple
Art

"Art Unwin" wrote in message
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Nope
You have the solution in your own hands where you have total control
if you are able to use a antenna computer program.Many on this group
have an aversion to computers and thus rely on other means which puts
control
in book authors. If you have a similar aversion thats O.K.

yeah, right... i am an author, and i also use computers, where does that put
me? EVERYONE on this group must use a computer... kind of hard to use
newsgroups like this without a computer.

For those who can use a computer they can determine for themselves if
antenna programs can be trusted or not.

no they can't... not unless they have a sophisticated test setup to do fill
size models and measurements to compare predicted with actual results. YOU
don't even have that art, so how can you be so sure that the programs are
doing what you think they are doing?

On Jan 11, 12:22*pm, "Dave" wrote:
"Art Unwin" wrote in message

...

Nope
You have the solution in your own hands where you have total control
if you are able to use a antenna computer program.Many on this group
have an aversion to computers and thus rely on other means which puts
control
in book authors. *If you have a similar aversion thats O.K.

yeah, right... i am an author, and i also use computers, where does that put
me? *EVERYONE on this group must use a computer... kind of hard to use
newsgroups like this without a computer.

For those who can use a computer they can determine for themselves if
antenna programs can be trusted or not.

no they can't... not unless they have a sophisticated test setup to do fill
size models and measurements to compare predicted with actual results. *YOU
don't even have that art, so how can you be so sure that the programs are
doing what you think they are doing?

Very good. But Richard Harrison does not have a computer thus he
relies on books.
I'd venture to say that many have books as well as computers but have
not used the canned antenna programs. After all cobol, basic, extra
basic, fortran e.t.c are outside of their sphere!
With that aside your answer questions the veracity of antenna computer
programs
in the hands of the average ham. That may or may not be true
But the members of this group percieve themselves as experts with
respect to antennas and I have no doubt that all will arrive at the
correct answer individually and that includes yourself
As for being sure of the result obtained no one can arrive at the
correctness unless they themselves revert to first principles to
determine the confines of what is acceptable.
On the other hand one can rely on the fact that the approximations
provided by computers aligns with your own experiences. Either way to
find the solution is totally in your hands, your own choice
in how to determine the veracity of antenna computer programs without
placing trust in unknowing
hands.
Is that clear and technical enough for you or has your descision on
antenna programs already been made and irreversable?
Art

On Jan 11, 11:28*am, "Dave" wrote:
* "Art Unwin" wrote in ...
* On Jan 11, 8:40 am, "Dave" wrote:
* "Richard Fry" wrote in
...
* On Jan 10, 6:59 pm, Art Unwin wrote:
*
* I gave the reasons for my line of thinking having gone thru the
* routine of reading and accepting what the books say. You
* spurned my statement giving no reason why it should not be
* accepted.
*
* Not so, Art.
*
* The simplest reason that you should abandon your line of thinking
* about there being no current reflection from the unterminated end
* along the outside of all radiators is that such beliefs were proven
* invalid by the measured results of Gihring and Brown over 70 years ago
* -- as shown in the excerpt of their IRE paper which has been linked to
* twice, now.
*
* RF
*
* the more it gets quoted the more he will consider it lemming talk and
reject
* it. art is in his own little world now, full of magical levitating
* diamagnetic neutrinos and burrowing anti-eddy currents up the middle of
* conductors... of course, where those currents go when they reach the
* feedpoint would be an interesting thing to hear, maybe art can comment
on
* that for a while... they probably just jump up to the surface again and
go
* around in circles.

* Pull your dress down your slip is showing

so you can't even come up with another technical comeback? *just got to
stoop all the way down to a cheap personal attack. *I guess this thread is
over then since you have run out of fun things to say.

No,No,Noi There is no evidence that you have a yearning for the
backsides of man
it is just a play on words which point to your error in thinking. ala
the slip. Get it?
I have made no attempt to hide my thinking with a torrent of words
under the guise of shakespeare
to provide cover
I provided a single liner. No more, no less