Stupid idea. Trees grow and thus move over time. They're not stable long
enough for construction purposes.

On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:53:38 -0800, D. Stussy wrote:

Stupid idea. Trees grow and thus move over time. They're not stable
long enough for construction purposes.

Mark a spot 4-5 feet up on a tree, 20 years later it will still be 4-5
feet from the ground.

73's
Ken Slimmer, WA0SBU

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On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:53:38 -0800, D. Stussy wrote:

Stupid idea. Trees grow and thus move over time. They're not stable
long enough for construction purposes.

Mark a spot 4-5 feet up on a tree, 20 years later it will still be 4-5
feet from the ground.

But won't the diameter, where you marked, be a lot greater? Anything
tied to the tree will get buried in the wood. Even if you leave 'room
for expansion', this may still happen. A tight loop, buried in the wood,
will also choke off the sap, and possibly kill the part of the tree
above.
--
Ian

"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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Mark a spot 4-5 feet up on a tree, 20 years later it will still be 4-5
feet from the ground.

But won't the diameter, where you marked, be a lot greater? Anything
tied to the tree will get buried in the wood. Even if you leave 'room
for expansion', this may still happen. A tight loop, buried in the wood,
will also choke off the sap, and possibly kill the part of the tree
above.

I think maybe you could drill a hole through the tree with a wood borer.
The Irwin Speedbor toolset comes to mind. They can be fitted with
extensions for added length. I have two, 6" & 12". They use setscrews to
avoid the bulk of a chuck. Love 'em.

http://www.irwin.com/irwin/consumer/...brand=Speedbor

After the hole is through, slide in a piece of All-Thread, flange it with
some sheet aluminum (and maybe a couple of rubber bumpers to be a little
kinder to the bark) and add nuts. Attach your guy wire to the protruding
end of the All-Thread.

Trees will tolerate being drilled. I mounted a garden hose rack on a tree
about 20 years ago; tree and hose rack still doing fine as of this
afternoon.

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I didn't see this mentioned: Have you investigated the possible use of a
concrete "deadman anchor"?

Sal M. Onella wrote:
"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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Mark a spot 4-5 feet up on a tree, 20 years later it will still be 4-5
feet from the ground.

But won't the diameter, where you marked, be a lot greater? Anything
tied to the tree will get buried in the wood. Even if you leave 'room
for expansion', this may still happen. A tight loop, buried in the wood,
will also choke off the sap, and possibly kill the part of the tree
above.

I think maybe you could drill a hole through the tree with a wood borer.
The Irwin Speedbor toolset comes to mind. They can be fitted with
extensions for added length. I have two, 6" & 12". They use setscrews to
avoid the bulk of a chuck. Love 'em.

http://www.irwin.com/irwin/consumer/...brand=Speedbor

After the hole is through, slide in a piece of All-Thread, flange it with
some sheet aluminum (and maybe a couple of rubber bumpers to be a little
kinder to the bark) and add nuts. Attach your guy wire to the protruding
end of the All-Thread.

Trees will tolerate being drilled. I mounted a garden hose rack on a tree
about 20 years ago; tree and hose rack still doing fine as of this
afternoon.

================

I didn't see this mentioned: Have you investigated the possible use of a
concrete "deadman anchor"?


What's that? A block of concrete...?

I've measured the growth rings in an almost identical Live Oak we had to
take down after H. Ike. A 1 inch radius growth was about 12-15 years.
Going into the ground just makes another obstacle to mow around. Another
solution may be a steel rail into the ground like a fence post. Will
think about it all some more.

Thanks for the comments!

Marv

"MTV" wrote in message
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I didn't see this mentioned: Have you investigated the possible use of
a
concrete "deadman anchor"?


What's that? A block of concrete...?

Yes. It's the favored material because it won't rust or corrode, like its
metal counterpart. Metal used sometimes, but only for temporary guys, like
a Field Day antenna tower.

Cut a hole in the ground and prop a metal rod in the hole. Fill around with
concrete, like a fence post. I did a 10' satellite dish mount in 1985.
Sucker never moved a millimeter, even with that big dish hanging off to one
side

"Sal M. Onella" wrote in message
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"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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After the hole is through, slide in a piece of All-Thread, flange it with
some sheet aluminum (and maybe a couple of rubber bumpers to be a little
kinder to the bark) and add nuts. Attach your guy wire to the protruding
end of the All-Thread.

Trees will tolerate being drilled. I mounted a garden hose rack on a
tree
about 20 years ago; tree and hose rack still doing fine as of this
afternoon.

Mounting a garden hose rack isn't the same as anchoring a guy wire for a
50' tower.

"D. Stussy" wrote in message
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Mounting a garden hose rack isn't the same as anchoring a guy wire for a
50' tower.
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True. I only made that observation for someone who wondered about the
effect of puncturing the tree. (I did it without any problem and maybe
someone else can, too.)

I should have made that clearer.

On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:28:42 +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:

In message , Ken Slimmer
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:53:38 -0800, D. Stussy wrote:

Stupid idea. Trees grow and thus move over time. They're not stable
long enough for construction purposes.

Mark a spot 4-5 feet up on a tree, 20 years later it will still be 4-5
feet from the ground.

But won't the diameter, where you marked, be a lot greater? Anything
tied to the tree will get buried in the wood. Even if you leave 'room
for expansion', this may still happen. A tight loop, buried in the wood,
will also choke off the sap, and possibly kill the part of the tree
above.

Ian;
We have used trees as supports for barbed wire by wrapping it around
the tree. The tree just grew over it, healing itself as it grew around
it.



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73's
Ken Slimmer, WA0SBU

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On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:28:42 +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:

In message , Ken Slimmer
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:53:38 -0800, D. Stussy wrote:

Stupid idea. Trees grow and thus move over time. They're not stable
long enough for construction purposes.

Mark a spot 4-5 feet up on a tree, 20 years later it will still be 4-5
feet from the ground.

But won't the diameter, where you marked, be a lot greater? Anything
tied to the tree will get buried in the wood. Even if you leave 'room
for expansion', this may still happen. A tight loop, buried in the wood,
will also choke off the sap, and possibly kill the part of the tree
above.

Ian;
We have used trees as supports for barbed wire by wrapping it around
the tree. The tree just grew over it, healing itself as it grew around
it.

This indeed can happen. I did say 'possibly'. I have a grape vine
growing up one wall of the house (and, given half a chance, would take
over the other three), and I see it where I have tied it up a bit too
tightly to the support wires. However, I doubt if any plant is as happy,
healthy or strong as it would have been without the strangulation. It's
the sort of thing that needs to be checked every so often, and suitable
adjustments made.
--
Ian