Cecil Moore wrote:
Jim Kelley wrote:
It's like having a conversation with a recorded message.

I have no other choice but to repeat the questions
that you, so far, have refused to answer.

Beeep. Check Google newsgroups, yesterday at 7:11 PM.

ac6xg

On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:05:05 -0700 (PDT), Jim Kelley
wrote:



Cecil Moore wrote:
Jim Kelley wrote:
It's like having a conversation with a recorded message.

I have no other choice but to repeat the questions
that you, so far, have refused to answer.

Beeep. Check Google newsgroups, yesterday at 7:11 PM.

Hi Jim,

You have experienced the famous time conjugated
answer-preceding-the-question paradox of Cecil's information
transformation. What Cecil is saying (we are now employing the random
byte discard from the data babblefield):
you have misunderstood your answer to the question I am asking now.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard Clark wrote:
You have experienced the famous time conjugated
answer-preceding-the-question paradox of Cecil's information
transformation.

OK, Richard, I admit that you caught me asking rhetorical
questions - Congratulations!
--
73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com

On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:08:52 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote:

OK, Richard, I admit that you caught me asking rhetorical
questions - Congratulations!

Congratulations? In noting the absolute uniform homogeneity for the
technical equivalent of:
"Are we there yet?"

Cheap kudos with the equivalent buying power of shares in Lehman
Brothers.
"Are we solvent yet?"

Jim Kelley wrote:
Beeep. Check Google newsgroups, yesterday at 7:11 PM.

Beeep. Check this very newsgroup. I already responded
to that posting. You didn't answer the question. We
are not talking about discontinuities. We are talking
about a straight 1/4WL piece of wire. So allow me to
keep asking until I get a reasonable response:

EZNEC says there is ~3 degrees of phase change in the
current in 90 degrees of monopole. How can that current
be used to measure the delay through 'n' degrees of
monopole?

For instance - in 30 degrees of monopole, the current
shifts phase by one degree. What *exactly* does that
indicate? Wouldn't the delay be more accurately
measured by comparing the ARCCOSine of the amplitudes?
--
73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:
Jim Kelley wrote:
EZNEC says there is ~3 degrees of phase change in the
current in 90 degrees of monopole. How can that current
be used to measure the delay through 'n' degrees of
monopole?

I have absolutely no idea. Sounds like you've made an error somewhere.

ac6xg

Jim Kelley wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
EZNEC says there is ~3 degrees of phase change in the
current in 90 degrees of monopole. How can that current
be used to measure the delay through 'n' degrees of
monopole?

I have absolutely no idea. Sounds like you've made an error somewhere.

Nope, there's no error. Roy once verified that the total
current in a standing wave antenna, like a dipole, changes
phase very little over the 180 degree length of the 1/2WL
dipole. Yet, he used that same total current with its unchanging
phase to try to measure the delay through a loading coil.

In "Antennas", Kraus' plot of the total current on a dipole,
(Figure 14-2 on page 464 in the 3rd edition) also shows that
same 3 degree phase change in the total current over the 180
degree length of a 1/2WL dipole thus agreeing with EZNEC.

If one cannot detect a phase shift in 25 degrees of 1/4WL
monopole or 1/2WL dipole using the total current, how can
one expect to detect a phase shift in 25 degrees of loading
coil using that same constant phase current?
--
73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com