On May 14, 3:12*am, Szczepan Bia³ek wrote:
*"Richard Clark" *wrotenews:km8m05tns3cssc5r6sf3kf517onh05no3e@4ax. com...





On Wed, 13 May 2009 21:41:55 +0200, Szczepan Bia?ek
wrote:

Blaming references is a very strong indicator of you having the
problem, not the textbooks.

Is in old books the same as in todays?
Sometimes they are changed.

Engineering? *Never.

Now we have the two different physics. One for students and the second in
engineering.

The students are different, not the Physics. *There is also college
physics and University physics. *The sense here is that you are adept
at calculus (University) or you are not (college). *Your explanations
of physics are not even High School (Gymnasium) level.

On all levels is: "James Clerk Maxwell's mathematical theory of 1873 had
predicted that electromagnetic disturbances should propagate through space
at the speed of light and should exhibit the wave-like characteristics of
light propagation."

Next on all levels is that the light waves are transversal because they can
be polarised.

Maxwell described it in his Treatise in words and in equations (are on-line)



Why are you posting here?

To lern something from engineering people. I was sure that people in this
group must know such phenomenon. It was Brian Howie. He wrote: "You can
get
ionospheric mixing of radio waves. e.g Luxembourg Effect; so
doubling is possible."

This is useless. *It is like you asking "Will it rain?", and someone
telling you the story of Noah and the flood. *Would you build an Ark
based on this answer to your question?

I have never heard about the Luxembourg Effect. I predict it and ask proper
people (if is "frequency doubling).



Today I found this:
http://durenberger.com/resources/doc...EFFECT0235.pdf

Again, a very poor source. *You are merely wandering along the shelves
and picking up random information.

The only I need.



So I have known what I want to know.
Of course my explanation of the phenomenon is as I described here.
It is not easy to understand me. I am sure that Wim does. He wrote "If you
would like to know more about EM-fields related to antennas and
electronics,
just start with classical EM theory. This is a solid
tool, existing over 100 years and is used by many people with succes
to predict behaviour of circuits and antennas. If this will change of
today, I will close my business activities next monday"

What was the point of quoting this when you have done nothing from his
advice?

I know the classical EM theory.







Most engineering people very quickly forget the "classical EM theory" as
was
tought in schools. In the "classical EM theory" no electrons. Engineering
use his own physics with electrons.
S*

This worn out phrase is repeated so much that I don't think you are
really interested in anything more than trolling.

If you actually found a solution in the Luxembourg effect you could
answer:

First, let us return to that link you offered with the Hertzian Loop
with its spark gap. *Let us say that this loop is 1 meter of wire
(about the actual size anyway). *Let us say there is a current
detector at each end of this loop. *Let us say we have closed a switch
that applies voltage to the loop,

...voltage by additionl wire ( in what point of the ring?) or by space?
S*



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S" needs to go back and read in totality the paper on Luxenbourg
Effect. It explains that you DO in fact have a non-linear medium in
the form of a charged ionosphere during periods of the effect.
It is also difficult to tell whether or not what seems to be a case of
the Luxenbourg effect is in fact just intermodulation distortion
occurng in the receiver.


Jimmie

On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:12:19 +0200, Szczepan Bia?ek
wrote:

On all levels is: "James Clerk Maxwell's mathematical theory of 1873 had

More dumpster diving.

First, let us return to that link you offered with the Hertzian Loop
with its spark gap. Let us say that this loop is 1 meter of wire
(about the actual size anyway). Let us say there is a current
detector at each end of this loop. Let us say we have closed a switch
that applies voltage to the loop,

...voltage by additionl wire ( in what point of the ring?) or by space?

Let's just skip the extremely difficult matters for you. It was your
reference source but you don't seem to have read it yet (apparently
the Luxembourg paper suffers your attention as well). If this were an
audio based group instead of a text based one, maybe you could find a
lectrice.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

"JIMMIE" wrote
...

S" needs to go back and read in totality the paper on Luxenbourg
Effect. It explains that you DO in fact have a non-linear medium in
the form of a charged ionosphere during periods of the effect.
It is also difficult to tell whether or not what seems to be a case of
the Luxenbourg effect is in fact just intermodulation distortion
occurng in the receiver.

The paper is from 1935. The year and half after the first observation. Now
we have 2009.
Probably were the next observations. Some of you may have yours own.
What we need to analyse:
1. Type of mast (half-wave, or 1/4) and the frequency,
2. The frequency at which on the receiver a faint background appears.

Of course only the cases where the frequency doubling take place.
S*

"Szczepan Bia³ek" wrote
...

"JIMMIE" wrote
...

S" needs to go back and read in totality the paper on Luxenbourg
Effect. It explains that you DO in fact have a non-linear medium in
the form of a charged ionosphere during periods of the effect.
It is also difficult to tell whether or not what seems to be a case of
the Luxenbourg effect is in fact just intermodulation distortion
occurng in the receiver.

The paper is from 1935. The year and half after the first observation. Now
we have 2009.
Probably were the next observations. Some of you may have yours own.
What we need to analyse:
1. Type of mast (half-wave, or 1/4) and the frequency,
2. The frequency at which on the receiver a faint background appears.

Of course only the cases where the frequency doubling take place.
S*


I have found the first:
http://books.google.pl/books?id=QSke...P RA1-PA53,M1

There on the page 53 you can find that the medium-wave were disturbed by the
long-vave (halve-way between).
S*

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:12:19 +0200, Szczepan Bia?ek
wrote:

On all levels is: "James Clerk Maxwell's mathematical theory of 1873 had

More dumpster diving.

First, let us return to that link you offered with the Hertzian Loop
with its spark gap. Let us say that this loop is 1 meter of wire
(about the actual size anyway). Let us say there is a current
detector at each end of this loop. Let us say we have closed a switch
that applies voltage to the loop,

...voltage by additionl wire ( in what point of the ring?) or by space?

Let's just skip the extremely difficult matters for you. It was your
reference source but you don't seem to have read it yet (apparently
the Luxembourg paper suffers your attention as well). If this were an
audio based group instead of a text based one, maybe you could find a
lectrice.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Hi Richard

I did some web searching on frequendy doubling and found that Ireland's
capitol *is* Doublin.and want to point out that anyone with extra money
could consider investing there in Ireland.

Jerry

On Thu, 14 May 2009 17:36:38 GMT, "Jerry"
wrote:

I did some web searching on frequendy doubling and found that Ireland's
capitol *is* Doublin.and want to point out that anyone with extra money
could consider investing there in Ireland.

Hi Jerry,

That could prove it!

I think I had my fill of this.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC