What is the correlation between radio waves and cancer?
 

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
It's possible that brain cancer induced by RF exposure might work the
same way.

The IEEE Spectrum magazine reported the following:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/40764.php
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What is the correlation between radio waves and cancer?
 

MacaualyFlower wrote in news:eac83182-542b-
:

I know that there is some concern that cell phones may cause cancer.
But is there any possible correlation between the radio waves we use
to communicate, either by commercial radio or other sources and
cancer? Or what about the radio waves that are being emitted from our
personal electronic appliances? I have heard that there is some
concern that if you live near a power line that you may be at risk for
cancer. What is the state of research into this subject?

Thanks

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What is the correlation between radio waves and cancer?
 

On Mon, 18 May 2009 06:24:56 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
It's possible that brain cancer induced by RF exposure might work the
same way.

The IEEE Spectrum magazine reported the following:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/40764.php

Yep. Using the NCI statistics I previously excavated, the incidence
of new brain and CNS cases is about 6 cases per 100,000 population per
year. The current population of Sweden is 9.2 million. Assuming the
same cancer rate in Sweden as the US, that's 552 cases of brain cancer
per year. Where did they find 905 brain cancer victims in a country
that only generates 552 cases per year? Perhaps the numbers seem a
bit odd?

I haven't read the original report, but my guess(tm) the 240% higher
risk is due to statistical anomalies resulting from using small
samples culled from extremely small incidence rates. All it takes is
one or two more events (cases), and the results look like 100% or 200%
increases.


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What is the correlation between radio waves and cancer?
 

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Where did they find 905 brain cancer victims in a country
that only generates 552 cases per year?

That's not the question. The question is: Where on
earth did you get the idea that benign tumors and
cancer are the same thing? Hint: They are not.
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73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, http://www.w5dxp.com

What is the correlation between radio waves and cancer?
 

On Mon, 18 May 2009 13:21:48 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Where did they find 905 brain cancer victims in a country
that only generates 552 cases per year?

That's not the question. The question is: Where on
earth did you get the idea that benign tumors and
cancer are the same thing? Hint: They are not.

Oops. You're right. The original question was about RF and cancer. I
didn't notice that the Swedish study apparently (not sure without
reading the study) includes both malignant and benign brain tumors. It
may also not include CNS (central nervious system) tumors, which the
ACI graph I presented does include.

I couldn't find the article in question due to the vague references,
but did manage to find another article on the same topic by the same
author:
"Symptoms Experienced in Connection with the Use of Digital
and Analog Mobile Phones for Poeple Using Both Transmitter
Systems: A Swedish-Norwegian Epidemiological Study."
http://www.springerlink.com/content/k2k224/?p=414fd7433b85492a967c4624feddf2ca&pi=0
It appears to be part of the book "Wireless Phones and Health II". I
also found a series of other articles dealing with RF exposure and
medicine by Kjell Mild, but no source for the original article under
"International Archives of Occupational and Environmental Health".

Incidentally, one of my neighbors recently had a brain tumor removed.
She didn't use a cell phone prior to the diagnosis, but bought one so
she could remain in contact during the treatment and recovery.

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Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

What is the correlation between radio waves and cancer?
 

On Mon, 18 May 2009 16:38:21 GMT, Panzer240
wrote:

MacaualyFlower wrote in news:eac83182-542b-
:

I know that there is some concern that cell phones may cause cancer.
But is there any possible correlation between the radio waves we use
to communicate, either by commercial radio or other sources and
cancer? Or what about the radio waves that are being emitted from our
personal electronic appliances? I have heard that there is some
concern that if you live near a power line that you may be at risk for
cancer. What is the state of research into this subject?

Thanks

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Caution!

As a radio amateur I must be lucky if my neighbours don't
claim headaches and nervous irritation the day after
I put up my new antenna.
Better keep oneself in good shape regarding the arguments.

What is the correlation between radio waves and cancer?
 

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

Ok. That's closer than most of the off topic rubbish the pollutes
most newsgroups. I can see you logic. After reading some of the
postings in this newsgroup, I too might suspect that exposure to RF
and antennas might produce insanity, illogic, political conservatism,
and delusions of omniscience. . .

The effect seems to peak at about 75 meter wavelength, with a minor peak
at about 2 meters. The cautious and same amateur will avoid exposure to
those wavelengths.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

What is the correlation between radio waves and cancer?
 

Roy Lewallen wrote:

The effect seems to peak at about 75 meter wavelength, with a minor peak
at about 2 meters. The cautious and same amateur will avoid exposure to
those wavelengths.

I of course meant "sane" and not "same". My apology for the typo.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

What is the correlation between radio waves and cancer?
 

"Roy Lewallen" wrote in message
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Roy Lewallen wrote:

The effect seems to peak at about 75 meter wavelength, with a minor peak
at about 2 meters. The cautious and same amateur will avoid exposure to
those wavelengths.

I of course meant "sane" and not "same". My apology for the typo.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL


Of course, it is a given that the only truly sane band is six meters.

Ed, AJ4PJ

What is the correlation between radio waves and cancer?
 

On Tue, 19 May 2009 10:30:44 -0700, Roy Lewallen
wrote:

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

Ok. That's closer than most of the off topic rubbish the pollutes
most newsgroups. I can see you logic. After reading some of the
postings in this newsgroup, I too might suspect that exposure to RF
and antennas might produce insanity, illogic, political conservatism,
and delusions of omniscience. . .

The effect seems to peak at about 75 meter wavelength, with a minor peak
at about 2 meters. The cautious and same amateur will avoid exposure to
those wavelengths.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Ham radio has its very own industry specific cancer called "cancer of
the vocabulary". Upon over-exposure to RF, a fairly normal individual
will soon develop symptoms which include ultra-long monologs,
inserting "ahhhhh" between sentences, foaming at the mouth, phonetic
alphabet creativity, and an apparently irresistible urge to eat
microphones. An early indication of impending trouble is a tendency
to identify oneself with a call sign after leaving a voicemail
message. Advanced cases exhibit additional symptoms of language
aberrations, political conservatism, compulsive knob twiddling, an
insatiable desire to listen for intelligence in random white noise, a
preference toward high wire acrobatics, and strangely coded speech.
After several decades of RF exposure, the victim may show symptoms of
pontification, pomposity, self-authority, and ossification of the
technology. While not fatal, cancer of the vocabulary has been known
to cause divorce, impoverishment, and curmudgeonificiation.
Unfortunately, the symptoms are not reversible, even when the victim
has withdrawn from ham radio for extended periods, such as to raise a
family.

Despite almost a century of historical data, little effort has been
made to correlate RF exposure with cancer of the vocabulary. I
suspect this may be due to the efforts of the ARRL to block such
research. While it is obvious that different frequencies had
different effects, it would be both interesting and useful if the
connection were properly researched and documented. For example, it's
apparent that exposure to low frequency (HF) waves causes a marked
preference for noisy environments, the exact opposite effect is found
after exposure to high frequencies (VHF), where signal clarity is
preferred. This phenomenon and others should be investigated.

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Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558