"Tim Auton" tim.auton@uton.[groupSexWithoutTheY] wrote in message
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Jim Thompson wrote:

I was struck by a thought when I heard the latest Palestinian
terrorist trick is to send a kid through the border with a back-pack
bomb triggered by a cell phone....

The Israelis should get a telemarketer's speed dialer and constantly
dial away... boom... boom... boom...

You would have to have every phone in the nation ring every couple of
hours. They're not going to be stupid enough to have the phone both
switched on and connected to the bomb until the last minute.


Tim
--
Love is a travelator.

this will probably go down like a cup of cold sick, but:

a better technique would be for the israeli government to pull their heads
in, and start acting like humans instead of nazis (deliberate comparison - I
am continually astounded that this behaviour comes from a people who
survived the Holocaust - surely the darkest moment in human history).

Actually attempt to reach a meaningful peace settlement, thereby getting
on-side with the bulk of the palestinian population, most of whom just want
to get on with their lives.

this would of course not deter the individual fanatical palestinian
lunatics, but would seriously erode their support base. The individual
nutters could be whacked one at a time (dont blow up an entire apartment
building killing dozens of kids to get one suicide bomber - that doesnt
help, and is no better than the suicide bombers behaviour).

No, I am NOT an apologist for suicide bombers - not those that target
civilians at any rate. I find it odd that its not OK for suicide bombers to
kill soldiers though, but it is OK for soldiers to kill suicide bombers

unfortunately its not likely to happen. Little things like the clearly
observable FACT that decades of repressive behaviour towards the
palestinians has NOT resolved the problem, but made it WORSE, seem to have
escaped the notice of successive israeli governments. so much for "an eye
for an eye" being of any practical use.

I am not interested in arguments about whether or not Israel should exist
(it does), who was originally right or wrong (6-day war etc) or any other
pointless arguments. The current situation exists, time doesnt flow
backwards, and if a real solution is not found, the terrorism will not only
continue, but will coninue to get worse. Neither side seems interested in
moving forward though, they are caught up in an ever-escalating round of
murderous tit-for-tat.

France, Spain and Britain on the other hand have endured terrorism for
decades, pretty much without resorting to such behaviour (bloody sunday is
probably a good example of the brits losing the plot, and its pretty clear
that it was a BAD idea)

Terry Given wrote:

The current situation exists, time doesnt flow
backwards, and if a real solution is not found, the terrorism will not only
continue, but will coninue to get worse. Neither side seems interested in
moving forward though, they are caught up in an ever-escalating round of
murderous tit-for-tat.

OT, but I have to say I fully agree. This will also take away a lot of
the breeding grounds of war-mongering terrorist organizations that seek
islamic/arabic support.

If only...


Thomas

"Zak" wrote in message
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Terry Given wrote:

The current situation exists, time doesnt flow
backwards, and if a real solution is not found, the terrorism will not
only
continue, but will coninue to get worse. Neither side seems interested
in
moving forward though, they are caught up in an ever-escalating round of
murderous tit-for-tat.

OT, but I have to say I fully agree. This will also take away a lot of
the breeding grounds of war-mongering terrorist organizations that seek
islamic/arabic support.

==========================

But we musn't forget who is to control the oil wells and the pipelines.

Tim Auton tim.auton@uton.[groupSexWithoutTheY] wrote in
:

Jim Thompson wrote:

I was struck by a thought when I heard the latest Palestinian
terrorist trick is to send a kid through the border with a back-pack
bomb triggered by a cell phone....

The Israelis should get a telemarketer's speed dialer and constantly
dial away... boom... boom... boom...

You would have to have every phone in the nation ring every couple of
hours. They're not going to be stupid enough to have the phone both
switched on and connected to the bomb until the last minute.


Tim

Actually,they have to have it active before they enter 'enemy' territory,as
citizens there often notice some stranger fiddling with a package and then
leaving it behind;the common indicator a bomb has been placed.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

Jim Yanik wrote:
Tim Auton tim.auton@uton.[groupSexWithoutTheY] wrote in
:
Jim Thompson wrote:

I was struck by a thought when I heard the latest Palestinian
terrorist trick is to send a kid through the border with a back-pack
bomb triggered by a cell phone....

The Israelis should get a telemarketer's speed dialer and constantly
dial away... boom... boom... boom...

You would have to have every phone in the nation ring every couple of
hours. They're not going to be stupid enough to have the phone both
switched on and connected to the bomb until the last minute.

Actually,they have to have it active before they enter 'enemy' territory,as
citizens there often notice some stranger fiddling with a package and then
leaving it behind;the common indicator a bomb has been placed.

So you're defining where the last minute is. Israel is tiny and most
of it is within an hours travel of "hostile" territory. My point about
the rate at which you would have to call mobiles stands.

You would have to disable every RF device in the nation to stop that
means of detonation. Removing RF communication from the population
means the terrorists have won. The only way to beat them is to carry
on doing exactly what you are doing now - changing your behaviour is a
victory for the terrorists. I'm British, I've lived under the threat
of terrorism (the comparatively mild IRA) almost my entire life (I'm
28). You just accept the risk - which is very, very small compared to
car accidents etc. etc. etc.

Changing laws and changing behaviour is *exactly* what they want. ****
them. The only thing you can do is report suspicious packages at train
stations etc. Other than that, just ignore the *******s and get on
with your life - if you do anything else they have won.

If you're scared then they have won. That's why it's called TERRORism.
Look at the odds - if you're not scared of crossing the road you
shouldn't be scared of terrorism.


Tim
--
Love is a travelator.

Well said.

"Tim Auton" tim.auton@uton.[groupSexWithoutTheY] wrote in message So
you're defining where the last minute is. Israel is tiny and most
of it is within an hours travel of "hostile" territory. My point about
the rate at which you would have to call mobiles stands.

You would have to disable every RF device in the nation to stop that
means of detonation. Removing RF communication from the population
means the terrorists have won. The only way to beat them is to carry
on doing exactly what you are doing now - changing your behaviour is a
victory for the terrorists. I'm British, I've lived under the threat
of terrorism (the comparatively mild IRA) almost my entire life (I'm
28). You just accept the risk - which is very, very small compared to
car accidents etc. etc. etc.

Changing laws and changing behaviour is *exactly* what they want. ****
them. The only thing you can do is report suspicious packages at train
stations etc. Other than that, just ignore the *******s and get on
with your life - if you do anything else they have won.

If you're scared then they have won. That's why it's called TERRORism.
Look at the odds - if you're not scared of crossing the road you
shouldn't be scared of terrorism.


Tim
--
Love is a travelator.

Changing laws and changing behaviour is *exactly* what they want. ****
them. The only thing you can do is report suspicious packages at train
stations etc. Other than that, just ignore the *******s and get on
with your life - if you do anything else they have won.

If you're scared then they have won. That's why it's called TERRORism.
Look at the odds - if you're not scared of crossing the road you
shouldn't be scared of terrorism.


Tim
--
Love is a travelator.

A voice in the wilderness! Very well put.

David

Jim Thompson wrote:
I was struck by a thought when I heard the latest Palestinian
terrorist trick is to send a kid through the border with a back-pack
bomb triggered by a cell phone....

The Israelis should get a telemarketer's speed dialer and constantly
dial away... boom... boom... boom...

Not really. The technology is far better.
Here you can get those industial mobiles with a serial
output. You can send an SMS which's string can be decoded by
software of you own microcontroller.

Rene
--
Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com
& commercial newsgroups - http://www.talkto.net

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 14:08:26 +0100, the renowned Rene Tschaggelar
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
I was struck by a thought when I heard the latest Palestinian
terrorist trick is to send a kid through the border with a back-pack
bomb triggered by a cell phone....

The Israelis should get a telemarketer's speed dialer and constantly
dial away... boom... boom... boom...

Not really. The technology is far better.
Here you can get those industial mobiles with a serial
output. You can send an SMS which's string can be decoded by
software of you own microcontroller.

One could easily imagine a semi-smart anti-convoy bomb that could be
remotely triggered by a hidden operator to go off after a programmable
delay (with password), so signal jamming would be relatively
ineffective. Nasty, and hobbyist-level technology once you have the
phone.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

One thing that may set off a detonator is a RF field with a wavelength in
the order of the detonator leads.

From the time I worked with detonators on oilrigs, an absolute radio-silence
was required till the charge was safely lowered down the borehole.

Wim