On Jun 1, 9:14*pm, tom wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
On Jun 1, 6:44 am, Cecil Moore wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
Does that mean that a radiator reduces mass with use
because the electrons orbiting around the atom are losing mass?
Since mass and energy are equivalent, I suppose the mass
of the radiator increases with increasing power input.
The increase in mass can be calculated but the average
ham has no way of measuring the increase. No need to
worry about the tower falling down due to additional
mass from energized electrons. :-)

The antenna is charged up to a certain energy level
during the key-down transient state. Since the energy
content of the antenna cannot increase forever, it must lose
energy as photonic radiation and/or as heat during steady-state.

Free electrons in a conductor travel at much less than the
speed of light. Photons are emitted from the electrons at
the speed of light. A quote from:

http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SpeedOfElectrons

"For example, for a copper wire of radius 1 mm carrying
a steady current of 10 Amps, the drift velocity is only
about 0.024 cm/sec!" i.e. about 0.01 inch/second. Ignoring
random movements, the electrons at our RF transmitter never
reach the antenna. At 10 MHz, the electrons move less than
0.000000001 inch during a 100 nS cycle involving a 100 watt
transmitter, i.e. they mostly oscillate in place.

However, other electrons, traveling at a large percentage
of the speed of light, are quite massive as observed in
particle accelerators and radioactive decay.
--
73, Cecil, IEEE, OOTC, *http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil
The above is confusing unbound particles with bound particles both of

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Good, but not one of your great Carrollesque.

*this collection of particles are in a state of three dimensional
equilibrium in relation to other similar clusters of particles which
provides a mass that in total is in static equilibrium
within its own boundary. If you supply energy to this mass in
equilibrium the frequency of rotation of particles increases and could
increase to the point of the frequency of light where, if it
continues, could become vaporised such that we now have a new medium
consisting of partial pressures of gasses.

Just amazing in it's wrongness, but it could easily convince the
ignorant masses our schools now create. *This is just incredible fiction!

How do you do it?

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Art

tom
K0TAR

I think it is convincing too.
Science is wonderfull when you connect every thing together and a
picture becomes visible. Same goes for cross word puzzles. My UK born
son was educated in American schools starting with Montessori. He now
earns a good living at La Hoya so education in America is not the
culprit for your observations. Maybe you are over estimating your own
abilities when comparing. However, now is your chance to correct the
"wrongness" that I quote.
I am all ears. After all you have won competitions with your antenna
designed but garnished from the many text books. Note that David is
now comfortable in giving displacement current some credit for
propagation so he must be younger than I thought
according to your interpretations. Now how does a wave traverse the
Earth without
collapsing? What is the connection to light? Does the "belts" that
surround the World act as breakwaters which accounts for the rainy
seasons?I suspect that it is explained in the books somewhere except
that somebody removed a page! Actually, I dreamt most of it and also
made antennas following the small print, and they worked ! Well at
least in my dreams. It must be a miracle. What do you think?
Art
Art