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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:44:52 -0700, Roy Lewallen wrote: I also did some experiments in the early '70s to see if CP would reduce fading. I built a couple of types of omnidirectional CP antennas -- a "skew planar", and a copy of a commercial FM BC antenna, for mobile use with the local 450 MHz repeater. A "halo" type of antenna? Some of the commercial broadcast FM antennas are eliptical polarized. Most of the signal is horizontally polarized, but there is a small vertical component in order to improve performance in vehicles. The "skew planar" looked like a cloverleaf antenna with each "petal" rotated 45 degrees. The other was a copy of a broadcast antenna advertised to be circularly polarized. I used a simple hand held dipole and field strength meter to judge polarization. I know now it was subject to a number of shortcomings, but I feel it did a reasonable job of indicating circularity. Both antennas were reasonably circular. . . . I tried to use CP on both ends and eventually gave up. Thanks for the explanation, but I have a different theory. The polarization changes sense (direction) every times it's reflected. We standardized on RH CP. When the RH CP signal hits the car, it is reflected as LH CP. If the LH CP signal arrives at the repeater antenna, which is RH polarized, they cancel. If it became linear, it would theoretically only present a -3dB polarization loss, which is not huge. No, that's a common misconception. A circularly polarized wave produces a circularly polarized wave of the opposite handedness only when reflected from a plane normal to its direction of propagation. That's seldom the case in a communication environment. When reflected from surfaces at other angles, the result is a change in circularity, from elliptical to nearly linear depending on the angle of reflection and the reflection coefficients of the surface. A short while with the modeling program of your choice will confirm this. . . . A second problem is that the majority of CP antennas, such as the quadrature fed crossed dipole "turnstile", are circular only directly broadside, and increasingly elliptical as you move away from that direction. That's why high accuracy GPS antennas use choke rings at the antenna. It widens the pattern so that it picks up more of the sky, but also maintains some semblence of CP at the horizon. I wasn't aware of any GPS receivers using crossed dipole "turnstile" type antennas. All the ones I've seen use either quadrifilar helix or patch antennas. Can you point to a reference or two regarding the choke rings -- I don't know what these are or what they do, and would like to learn. . . . Roy Lewallen, W7EL |
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