On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:01:50 -0700 (PDT), Art Unwin
wrote:

Jeff, as a past examiner you surprize me.

Jeff or Geoff? I was never a patent examiner.

Present day patent provide
an immense annount of false hood as one cannot judge what works or not
with the exception of perpetual motion.

Right. One does NOT need to demonstrate that something works in order
to obtain a patent. There are plenty of patents for some
non-functional devices. Basically, it needs to be novel, non-obvious,
and provide a useful function. That's all.

There fore isnt it just the claims that count as long as information
is provided in the body
to justify it. I could claim in the body that an antenna described
requires only a small battery to work the world and use that in the
claim. Whether it is true or not cannot be determined by the examiner
and the inventor does not now need to present a sample.
It is for the next inventer to claim a better mousetrap for economical
reasons that he sees where others think it has no valueand not worth
the effort. The initial inventor can lose all if he does not commence
with a commercial effort as ordained by the PTO
No wonder the courts want to limit their involvement in patent cases
and why the rules were changes i.e. PTO being challenged by those who
preside over justice in cases that are challenged. It is for this very
reason that laws in other countries establish the intent of the law AT
THAT TIME so a judge presides only with the case at hand and not
challenge the political made laws .

Rubbish. However, I think I now understand your writing style. Most
of your sentences are comma splices or conjunction splices, which glue
two marginally related concepts together. This lets you slide neatly
and gracefully from one topic to the next, usually in one paragraph.
Were this done without the splicing, it would appear as an abrupt
change in topic, or just random thoughts. Impressive. I need to
learn how to do that as it appears to be quite useful. Thanks.

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