On Dec 6, 9:20*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 6, 7:47*pm, "amdx" wrote:





"danl" wrote in message

.. . On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:44:30 +0000, EI5DD
wrote:

Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine
somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to
construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on
work done by Nathan Coen N1IR.

Steve (EI5DD)

Popcorn! *GET YER HOT BUTTERD POPCORN HERE! *Popcorn!

N9JBF
Whisper Does the Buffoon still come around?

*I don't think he is buffoon, he had an idea that was novel and looks like
he is selling a bunch of them.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Mike

No he isn't a buffoon, he had a Doctorate!

A non sequitur. Look at posts by and decide about
buffoonery. Cohen loved to threaten people. http://opsyhopsy.com/MiscJunk/who_is_nc.htm

On Dec 7, 12:14*pm, Bill wrote:
On Dec 6, 9:20*pm, Art Unwin wrote:



On Dec 6, 7:47*pm, "amdx" wrote:

"danl" wrote in message

.. . On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:44:30 +0000, EI5DD
wrote:

Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine
somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to
construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on
work done by Nathan Coen N1IR.

Steve (EI5DD)

Popcorn! *GET YER HOT BUTTERD POPCORN HERE! *Popcorn!

N9JBF
Whisper Does the Buffoon still come around?

*I don't think he is buffoon, he had an idea that was novel and looks like
he is selling a bunch of them.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Mike

No he isn't a buffoon, he had a Doctorate!

A non sequitur. Look at posts by and decide about
buffoonery. Cohen loved to threaten people.http://opsyhopsy.com/MiscJunk/who_is_nc.htm

He stood up for himself, nothing wrong with that

On Dec 6, 5:44*am, EI5DD wrote:
Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine
somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to
construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on
work done by Nathan Coen N1IR.

Steve (EI5DD)

--
EI5DD

Folding wire in a fractal pattern to shorten an antenna is probably as
good as any other way of folding wire. Maybe better than some.

JImmie

On Dec 7, 1:27*pm, JIMMIE wrote:
On Dec 6, 5:44*am, EI5DD wrote:

Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine
somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to
construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on
work done by Nathan Coen N1IR.

Steve (EI5DD)

--
EI5DD

Folding wire in a fractal pattern to shorten an antenna is probably as
good as any other way of folding wire. Maybe better than some.

JImmie

Correct, Maxwell's laws referes only to the distributed loads which
remain in place no matter what you do to the wire. For way to long the
notion of straight radiators have been staked into the folk lore of
radio
by those who oppose change. Actually it was present members of this
particular group who attacked his ideas as a false technology without
presenting proof, only derision. A line eagerly joined by the pseudo
experts from the CB era, some of which remain today.

For way to (sic) long the
notion of straight radiators have been staked into the folk lore of
radio
by those who oppose change.

Why would anybody object to bending wires? Your need for drama is
psychopathic. Cohen met with derision because he WAS a buffoon. And so
are you Art.

On Dec 7, 3:18*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 7, 1:27*pm, JIMMIE wrote:





On Dec 6, 5:44*am, EI5DD wrote:

Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine
somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to
construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on
work done by Nathan Coen N1IR.

Steve (EI5DD)

--
EI5DD

Folding wire in a fractal pattern to shorten an antenna is probably as
good as any other way of folding wire. Maybe better than some.

JImmie

Correct, Maxwell's laws referes only to the distributed loads which
remain in place no matter what you do to the wire. For way to long the
notion of straight radiators have been staked into the folk lore of
radio
by those who oppose change. Actually it was present members of this
particular group who attacked his ideas as a false technology without
presenting proof, only derision. A line eagerly joined by the pseudo
experts from the CB era, some of which remain today.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Antenna physically shortened by bending the wires is certainly not new
to amateur radio as any ham with a small yard will atest. To say that
these antennas will work without degradation when compared to their
unaltered counterparts is just wrong.

Jimmie.

On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:20:17 -0800 (PST), Art Unwin
wrote:

He wasn't the last antenna expert to leave the insults from this
group,

Ever consider what motivates the real experts to spend their time
answering questions? I'm certainly no expert, but I do try to answer
what little I can. For me it's learning something new and a karma
boost in helping others learn and understand. Passing on my
experiences and knowledge and all that.

Now, contrast that with the signal to noise ratio of this group. There
isn't any question or discussion that doesn't get derailed into
politics, philosophy, and some really off the wall physics. The
dedicated experts will try to untangle the mess, and inject some
reality into the discussion, with little results. All the time and
effort spent in honestly answering on topic questions gets lost and
wasted in the apparently endless and useless pseudo science
discussions, none of which have any obvious applications to antennas.
Little wonder the experts get tired of wasting their time, and go
elsewhere.

I have some ideas on how to solve the problem, but since I'm sometimes
part of the problem, I'll leave my foot in my mouth where it belongs.
I suggest you also reflect on whether you're part of the solution or
part of the problem.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
I have some ideas on how to solve the problem, but since I'm sometimes
part of the problem, I'll leave my foot in my mouth where it belongs.
I suggest you also reflect on whether you're part of the solution or
part of the problem.

Or to inject some more meaningless physics, part of the precipitate?

:-)

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM

On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:19:04 +0000 (UTC), "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"
wrote:

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
I have some ideas on how to solve the problem, but since I'm sometimes
part of the problem, I'll leave my foot in my mouth where it belongs.
I suggest you also reflect on whether you're part of the solution or
part of the problem.

Or to inject some more meaningless physics, part of the precipitate?
Geoff.

More like natural philosophy or possibly fizzix. It's also more like
flocculation than precipitation. With a precipitate, all the rot just
settles to other bottom, where it's easy to separate and identify.
With flocculation, the rubbish seems to appear out of nowhere and turn
into flakes, while the topic of discussion remains suspended in
solution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flocculation

Let he who is free of off-topic, irrelevant, pseudo-science, and
useless comments, cast the first follow up.


--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Art Unwin wrote:
On Dec 7, 1:27 pm, JIMMIE wrote:
On Dec 6, 5:44 am, EI5DD wrote:

Would anyone have a copy of an article from either 73 or CQ magazine
somewhere around the 90's which contained an article on how to
construct a Fractal Quad antenna for 10 metres. The design was based on
work done by Nathan Coen N1IR.
Steve (EI5DD)
--
EI5DD
Folding wire in a fractal pattern to shorten an antenna is probably as
good as any other way of folding wire. Maybe better than some.

JImmie

Correct, Maxwell's laws referes only to the distributed loads which
remain in place no matter what you do to the wire. For way to long the
notion of straight radiators have been staked into the folk lore of
radio
by those who oppose change. Actually it was present members of this
particular group who attacked his ideas as a false technology without
presenting proof, only derision. A line eagerly joined by the pseudo
experts from the CB era, some of which remain today.


So does this fractal antenna perform better than any other antenna? They
seem like a solution so a specific problem, not as the sort of thing you
would use if say you wanted high performance or had space to put a more
conventional antenna into service.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -