On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:20:17 -0800 (PST), Art Unwin
wrote:

He wasn't the last antenna expert to leave the insults from this
group,

Ever consider what motivates the real experts to spend their time
answering questions? I'm certainly no expert, but I do try to answer
what little I can. For me it's learning something new and a karma
boost in helping others learn and understand. Passing on my
experiences and knowledge and all that.

Now, contrast that with the signal to noise ratio of this group. There
isn't any question or discussion that doesn't get derailed into
politics, philosophy, and some really off the wall physics. The
dedicated experts will try to untangle the mess, and inject some
reality into the discussion, with little results. All the time and
effort spent in honestly answering on topic questions gets lost and
wasted in the apparently endless and useless pseudo science
discussions, none of which have any obvious applications to antennas.
Little wonder the experts get tired of wasting their time, and go
elsewhere.

I have some ideas on how to solve the problem, but since I'm sometimes
part of the problem, I'll leave my foot in my mouth where it belongs.
I suggest you also reflect on whether you're part of the solution or
part of the problem.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
I have some ideas on how to solve the problem, but since I'm sometimes
part of the problem, I'll leave my foot in my mouth where it belongs.
I suggest you also reflect on whether you're part of the solution or
part of the problem.

Or to inject some more meaningless physics, part of the precipitate?

:-)

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM

On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:19:04 +0000 (UTC), "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"
wrote:

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
I have some ideas on how to solve the problem, but since I'm sometimes
part of the problem, I'll leave my foot in my mouth where it belongs.
I suggest you also reflect on whether you're part of the solution or
part of the problem.

Or to inject some more meaningless physics, part of the precipitate?
Geoff.

More like natural philosophy or possibly fizzix. It's also more like
flocculation than precipitation. With a precipitate, all the rot just
settles to other bottom, where it's easy to separate and identify.
With flocculation, the rubbish seems to appear out of nowhere and turn
into flakes, while the topic of discussion remains suspended in
solution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flocculation

Let he who is free of off-topic, irrelevant, pseudo-science, and
useless comments, cast the first follow up.


--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Dec 8, 9:08*am, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:20:17 -0800 (PST), Art Unwin

wrote:
He wasn't the last antenna expert to leave the insults from this
group,

Ever consider what motivates the real experts to spend their time
answering questions? *I'm certainly no expert, but I do try to answer
what little I can. *For me it's learning something new and a karma
boost in helping others learn and understand. *Passing on my
experiences and knowledge and all that. *

Now, contrast that with the signal to noise ratio of this group. There
isn't any question or discussion that doesn't get derailed into
politics, philosophy, and some really off the wall physics.

snip


Remember, I offered a Swell Prize for anybody who produced an
algorithm to predict when a thread was going to turn ugly -- or at
least go goofy. It hasn't been claimed. Art?

Sal

On Dec 12, 4:09*am, "Sal M. Onella" wrote:
On Dec 8, 9:08*am, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:20:17 -0800 (PST), Art Unwin

wrote:
He wasn't the last antenna expert to leave the insults from this
group,

Ever consider what motivates the real experts to spend their time
answering questions? *I'm certainly no expert, but I do try to answer
what little I can. *For me it's learning something new and a karma
boost in helping others learn and understand. *Passing on my
experiences and knowledge and all that. *

Now, contrast that with the signal to noise ratio of this group. There
isn't any question or discussion that doesn't get derailed into
politics, philosophy, and some really off the wall physics.

snip

Remember, I offered a Swell Prize for anybody who produced an
algorithm to predict when a thread was going to turn ugly -- or at
least go goofy. *It hasn't been claimed. *Art?

Sal

pick a random number between 0 and 100, somewhere in that number of
postings any thread will turn ugly, change topics, or go completly
crazy.

On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:09:20 -0800 (PST), "Sal M. Onella"
wrote:

Remember, I offered a Swell Prize for anybody who produced an
algorithm to predict when a thread was going to turn ugly -- or at
least go goofy. It hasn't been claimed. Art?

Easy. Create a list of the most frequent posters. Include the number
of postings they create per month, and the number of original lines of
text they add each month (don't include quotes and blank lines).
Select the top 3 posters, that have the smallest ratio of postings to
new content. These are the ones that traditionally change the topic
with one or two line inflamatory remarks. When they appear, the
thread is sure to go awry.

Also create a list of first time posters, who do NOT start a thread,
but only comment on it. These are guaranteed topic drift candidates
as long time posters directly attack the new poster, rather than his
comments.

A 3rd class of posters are those that supply pure opinions, without
any substantiation, examples, or anecdotes. Any thread that starts
out this way, will invariably include an example demonstrating that
the original allegations are wrong. It's at this point, that the
thread will go off into the minutae of the example, drifting away from
the original opinions.

Please send my prize to the address below.


--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558