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On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:41:20 -0600, Tom Ring
wrote: Nope, it will be much much less than dipole in almost every direction except the direction of the wire. There is only so much energy to go around, and most of it is going in the forward or forward/backward directions, depending on termination of the wire. "You cannu break the laws of physics, captain!" - Only a half wave dipole will act like a half wave dipole. tom Hello Major Tom, Count down, systems on. You haven't modeled have you? 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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Enough so I don't have to model the obvious. I alpha tested 3 different
modeling programs for the author in the early 90's, currently own 5 if I remember correctly, have modeled hundreds of yagis, built dozens, and tons of other, non-yagi radiating structures. And designed and built the highest gain 432 antenna ever tested at Central States VHF Conference. If most of the energy is going off the end(s), there can't be much left to go off the sides, therefore it can't perform like a dipole off the sides. Those little spikes are very misleading, and very narrow. Apply an averaging function 2 or 3 degrees wide on the spikes and the nulls, and you'll see a much truer picture. The physics doesn't lie - antenna patterns are a have to add up to 100% of the input power (ignoring losses). If, picking nice round numbers, 90% is in 5 degrees off the end, then only 10% is available for th. tom K0TAR Richard Clark wrote: On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:41:20 -0600, Tom Ring wrote: Nope, it will be much much less than dipole in almost every direction except the direction of the wire. There is only so much energy to go around, and most of it is going in the forward or forward/backward directions, depending on termination of the wire. "You cannu break the laws of physics, captain!" - Only a half wave dipole will act like a half wave dipole. tom Hello Major Tom, Count down, systems on. You haven't modeled have you? 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 07:38:59 -0600, Tom Ring
wrote: If most of the energy is going off the end(s), there can't be much left to go off the sides, therefore it can't perform like a dipole off the sides. Those little spikes are very misleading, and very narrow. Apply an averaging function 2 or 3 degrees wide on the spikes and the nulls, and you'll see a much truer picture. The program defaulted to 5 degrees which still presented so many lobes as to be a pin cushion. The net effect is that aside from axial gain, off side is still pretty much dipole average. No one really expects those sharp lobes to actually represent reality except if you were working EME with an apeture that couldn't see ground. Such deep nulls of only a couple degrees wide only exist in line of sight. There's a world of difference between modeling antenna characteristics and propagation reality. The physics doesn't lie - antenna patterns are a have to add up to 100% of the input power (ignoring losses). If, picking nice round numbers, 90% is in 5 degrees off the end, then only 10% is available for th. 90% for 10% coverage does not absorb all the gain available; the multitude of sharp lobes in excess of 2dBi is abundant proof of that. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 07:38:59 -0600, Tom Ring
wrote: Enough so I don't have to model the obvious. I alpha tested 3 different modeling programs for the author in the early 90's, currently own 5 if I remember correctly, have modeled hundreds of yagis, built dozens, and tons of other, non-yagi radiating structures. And designed and built the highest gain 432 antenna ever tested at Central States VHF Conference. If most of the energy is going off the end(s), there can't be much left to go off the sides, therefore it can't perform like a dipole off the sides. Suppose you modeled it as a longish dipole? One leg is a quarter wave at six meters, the other leg is an odd number of 6-meter quarter waves, stretching out a quarter mile? Bob k5qwg Those little spikes are very misleading, and very narrow. Apply an averaging function 2 or 3 degrees wide on the spikes and the nulls, and you'll see a much truer picture. The physics doesn't lie - antenna patterns are a have to add up to 100% of the input power (ignoring losses). If, picking nice round numbers, 90% is in 5 degrees off the end, then only 10% is available for th. tom K0TAR Richard Clark wrote: On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:41:20 -0600, Tom Ring wrote: Nope, it will be much much less than dipole in almost every direction except the direction of the wire. There is only so much energy to go around, and most of it is going in the forward or forward/backward directions, depending on termination of the wire. "You cannu break the laws of physics, captain!" - Only a half wave dipole will act like a half wave dipole. tom Hello Major Tom, Count down, systems on. You haven't modeled have you? 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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Well I had some good typo and editing errors there. But I think the
message was still evident. Rule #1 - don't edit a message more than once. tom Tom Ring wrote: Enough so I don't have to model the obvious. I alpha tested 3 different modeling programs for the author in the early 90's, currently own 5 if I remember correctly, have modeled hundreds of yagis, built dozens, and tons of other, non-yagi radiating structures. And designed and built the highest gain 432 antenna ever tested at Central States VHF Conference. If most of the energy is going off the end(s), there can't be much left to go off the sides, therefore it can't perform like a dipole off the sides. Those little spikes are very misleading, and very narrow. Apply an averaging function 2 or 3 degrees wide on the spikes and the nulls, and you'll see a much truer picture. The physics doesn't lie - antenna patterns are a have to add up to 100% of the input power (ignoring losses). If, picking nice round numbers, 90% is in 5 degrees off the end, then only 10% is available for th. tom K0TAR Richard Clark wrote: On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:41:20 -0600, Tom Ring wrote: Nope, it will be much much less than dipole in almost every direction except the direction of the wire. There is only so much energy to go around, and most of it is going in the forward or forward/backward directions, depending on termination of the wire. "You cannu break the laws of physics, captain!" - Only a half wave dipole will act like a half wave dipole. tom Hello Major Tom, Count down, systems on. You haven't modeled have you? 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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