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What exactly is radio
Jim Lux wrote:
wrote: tom wrote: On 5/6/2010 8:42 PM, tom wrote: On 5/6/2010 3:25 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote: Charged particles can move at any speed from 0 to c and always produce the electric field. Why not? Incorrect. A particle has mass, and cannot attain light speed. tom K0TAR Should have said "charged particle" rather than "particle". tom K0TAR You were correct the first time. Nothing with mass can attain light speed and it doesn't matter if it is charged or not. I think you need to clarify.. zero "rest mass".. Nope, "mass" unqualified refers to rest mass and qualifiers only become necessary if talking about other than rest mass. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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What exactly is radio
On May 10, 7:41*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"joe" .... Szczepan Białek wrote: Do you know even one example where *Acoustic analogy do not work? S* A high school experiment using a bell jar, alarm clock and a vacuum pump. Jim wrote: " Having some similar charactristics does not mean EM and sound are the same thing." They are not the same. Sound propagate in gases, liquids and solids Electric waves in the "aether". But the source of sound is an increase of the pressure. The source of electric waves is an increase of the voltage. The voltage increases at the ends of a *dipole. The electric waves and sound propagate in metal wires, but with different speeds. Are electric waves in a wire also transversal? S* yes. |
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What exactly is radio
On May 10, 8:03*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ... On May 9, 7:00 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: In textbooks must be all theories. In one chapter light (and radio waves) is like photons, in the next chapter like EM waves and in next like acoustics. EM is the only example of transversal waves. So it must be in teaching program. But we try to help Peter. He wrote: "I begin to appreciate a comment made by a fellow radio amateur and technician that antenna theory was 15% science and 85% black magic! " It seems that you are sure that radio waves are transversal. It is impossible to help you (Maxwell was full of doubts). May be that somebody consider the Acoustic analogy and the black magic disappear for him. S* maxwell may have been full of doubts, and Einstein wasn't able to see the experiments that have proven his theories, Maxwell did EM, Einstein did the photons and somebody else the acoustic analogy. but we have seen them well tested and accepted over the years. All of that three ( all three are in textbooks) are well tested and accepted but only in some extend. May be that after some time only one will be fully accepted. Which one do you designate? if you think that 85% is black magic then you have lots of learning to do to fill in that 85% gap in your knowledge. I designate the acoustic analogy and do not see any gaps. They who designate EM or the photons are in constant trouble for more than 100 years. S* you may designate away, that doesn't make it any more correct. *the only things that the acoustic, water, and em radiation has in common is the sinusoidal characteristics and that superposition works. because of those two you can get similar interference patterns from all 3 types of waves. *that doesn't mean the underlying physics are the same. Oscillating compressible gas create .the standing waves in the tube with the closed *end. The oscillating compressible electron gas create the standing waves in open circuit (antenna). Is not the same physics? S* no |
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What exactly is radio
wrote ... Szczepan Bialek wrote: They are not the same. Sound propagate in gases, liquids and solids Electric waves in the "aether". There is no "aether". Years ago Ludvig Lorenz said that in the space is enough mater to propagate the electric waves. Now we say "interstellar matter". But Aether is still in use. "The interstellar gas consists partly of neutral atoms and molecules, as well as charged particles, such as ions and electrons." From: http://www-ssg.sr.unh.edu/ism/what1.html S* |
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What exactly is radio
Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci ... On May 10, 7:41 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: But the source of sound is an increase of the pressure. The source of electric waves is an increase of the voltage. The voltage increases at the ends of a dipole. The electric waves and sound propagate in metal wires, but with different speeds. Are electric waves in a wire also transversal? yes. " As the wave propagates along the line, it is accompanied by currents which flow longitudinally in the conductors". From: http://www.answers.com/topic/electro...e-transmission In reality no pure transversal waves. Such are only possible in the math. S* |
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What exactly is radio
"Szczepan Bia?ek" wrote:
wrote ... Szczepan Bialek wrote: They are not the same. Sound propagate in gases, liquids and solids Electric waves in the "aether". There is no "aether". Years ago Ludvig Lorenz said that in the space is enough mater to propagate the electric waves. Now we say "interstellar matter". But Aether is still in use. "The interstellar gas consists partly of neutral atoms and molecules, as well as charged particles, such as ions and electrons." From: http://www-ssg.sr.unh.edu/ism/what1.html S* Babbling nonsense. http://arXiv.org/abs/0706.2031 Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004) Phys. Rev. D8, pg 3321 (1973) Phys. Rev. D9 pg 2489 (1974) http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/Walsworth/pdf/PT_Romalis0704.pdf No aether http://arxiv.org/abs/0905.1929 http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2005-5/index.html Phys. Rev. D 81 022003 (2010) http://arxiv.org/abs/0801.0287 No Lorentz violation -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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What exactly is radio
wrote ... "Szczepan Bia?ek" wrote: wrote ... Szczepan Bialek wrote: They are not the same. Sound propagate in gases, liquids and solids Electric waves in the "aether". There is no "aether". Years ago Ludvig Lorenz said that in the space is enough mater to propagate the electric waves. Now we say "interstellar matter". But Aether is still in use. "The interstellar gas consists partly of neutral atoms and molecules, as well as charged particles, such as ions and electrons." From: http://www-ssg.sr.unh.edu/ism/what1.html S* Babbling nonsense. http://arXiv.org/abs/0706.2031 Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004) Phys. Rev. D8, pg 3321 (1973) Phys. Rev. D9 pg 2489 (1974) http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/Walsworth/pdf/PT_Romalis0704.pdf No aether http://arxiv.org/abs/0905.1929 http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2005-5/index.html Phys. Rev. D 81 022003 (2010) http://arxiv.org/abs/0801.0287 No Lorentz violation "Not to be confused with Hendrik Lorentz or Edward Norton Lorenz" From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludvig_Lorenz Behaviour of light is in our time quite clear: http://www.worldnpa.org/pdf/ebooks/K...%20Light .pdf S* |
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What exactly is radio
"Szczepan Bia?ek" wrote:
wrote ... "Szczepan Bia?ek" wrote: wrote ... Szczepan Bialek wrote: They are not the same. Sound propagate in gases, liquids and solids Electric waves in the "aether". There is no "aether". Years ago Ludvig Lorenz said that in the space is enough mater to propagate the electric waves. Now we say "interstellar matter". But Aether is still in use. "The interstellar gas consists partly of neutral atoms and molecules, as well as charged particles, such as ions and electrons." From: http://www-ssg.sr.unh.edu/ism/what1.html S* Babbling nonsense. http://arXiv.org/abs/0706.2031 Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004) Phys. Rev. D8, pg 3321 (1973) Phys. Rev. D9 pg 2489 (1974) http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/Walsworth/pdf/PT_Romalis0704.pdf No aether http://arxiv.org/abs/0905.1929 http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2005-5/index.html Phys. Rev. D 81 022003 (2010) http://arxiv.org/abs/0801.0287 No Lorentz violation "Not to be confused with Hendrik Lorentz or Edward Norton Lorenz" From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludvig_Lorenz Behaviour of light is in our time quite clear: To most people, but obiously not you. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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What exactly is radio
wrote ... "Szczepan Bia?ek" wrote: Behaviour of light is in our time quite clear: To most people, but obiously not you. " Ions and electrons in space are usually intimately mixed, in a "soup" containing equal amounts of positive and negative charges. Such a mixture is known as a plasma ". From: http://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/Ielect.html This "soup" rotate with the Sun. Each planetary systems are the vortex (or planetary disc). Light (and radio waves) travel in this rotating soup. For this reason the MMX result is "null" in the orbital direction. But it is not null in the direction of Earth rotating (Michelson-Gale experiment). The evidences on that was collected by Kelly: http://www.worldnpa.org/pdf/ebooks/K...%20Light .pdf S* |
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What exactly is radio
"Szczepan Bia?ek" wrote:
wrote ... "Szczepan Bia?ek" wrote: Behaviour of light is in our time quite clear: To most people, but obiously not you. " Ions and electrons in space are usually intimately mixed, in a "soup" containing equal amounts of positive and negative charges. Such a mixture is known as a plasma ". From: http://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/Ielect.html This "soup" rotate with the Sun. Each planetary systems are the vortex (or planetary disc). Light (and radio waves) travel in this rotating soup. For this reason the MMX result is "null" in the orbital direction. But it is not null in the direction of Earth rotating (Michelson-Gale experiment). The evidences on that was collected by Kelly: http://www.worldnpa.org/pdf/ebooks/K...%20Light .pdf S* Babbling, irrelevant gibberish complete with references to a kook web site. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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