On Aug 31, 8:54*am, John Smith wrote:
On 8/31/2010 6:36 AM, Art Unwin wrote:

* ...



* Cecil as I stated before a electron can travel thru
two mediums OR along the path between the two mediums. The presence of
surface wave of propagation points to another medium whether it be
between Earth and the atmosphere OR the atmosphere is a medium itself.
It is because of this
electron travel along the surface of Earth that scientists come to the
conclusion that the atmosphere is a medium which they name.
This is not accepted by mainstream but to be fair mainstream has not
named or explained the medium that allowed for over the surface
electron travel.
*From my point of view the "missing" medium is a carpet of free
electrons that are bound in a skin as seen on surface tension on water
and it is this skin
or carpet upon Earth is the medium that explains the surface travel of
electrons, a missing medium that satisfies both sides of the puzzle.
Regards
Art

By golly, I believe you are getting it ... except for you focus on "a
surface." *We have a medium to test all this with, which is quite
suitable. *Water; *No surface is needed to produce sound within a body
of water, itself, water serving as the example of "ether." *A very
strong, varying, magnetic field, in the audio range, can work upon the
slightly magnetic atoms producing the sound. *In passing, "pumps", which
may someday propel vessels, can also use this effect to "pump" water
though a coil and propel the vessel. *Ether should be able to be
manipulated in a like manner ... now, unless you show up upon my
doorstep with a workable model of an "ether antenna", this all has, and
will remain, of little use. *However, I think you are just the man to do
it, Art. *wink

Regards,
JS

John
We now come down to the question as to whether the two vector
explanation is of any use by applying it to antennas.
Let me come back to the double helix or the "genome" of life
Science views a coil as a load with respect to antennas or a dummy
load again with respect to radiators. We all know that a coil can be
made where it is totally resistive and completly absent of
reactive forces because with the about turn of direction of current
flow stops the formation of both
capacitive and inductive vectors.
When the current flows thru the coil tradition points to science as
seeing this as the metallic resistance
of say aluminum. This is false in that the resistance
seen is the resistance to the skin depth anomally
created by the foot hold of a external magnetic field.
In this case there cannot be an external magnetic field ie no
reactances and therefore no skin resistance. Now it is this resistance
that was keeping current flow from rising to the SURFACE
of the radiator such that the radiator is not now the path that the
current takes which is now BETWEEN the two mediums such that its two
vectors direct current and displacement current can devote itself to
purely producing radiation by ejection of particles with spin. So in
other words
the external magnetic field by creating skin depth is the worst enemy
of radiation which is the creation
of a wastefull friction component. Removing that magnetic field is the
same as what superconductors do except in radiation current flow by
passes the subject mass regardess of its resident friction where as a
superconductor actually reduces the mass friction instead of by
passing it.
When applying this to computor program the radiation patter evolves
into two separate patterns merged into one wher the axis reflects the
two vectors of gravity and rotation.
As a side note the radiatin member is never totally devoid of
resistance ans it now takes on a vibratory action from the levitating
vector on its surface, so ohms law stays intact by virtue of the
change over to pendulum mathermatics
Regards
Art Unwin.....KB9MZ....xg

On Aug 31, 10:03*am, Art Unwin wrote:
On Aug 31, 8:54*am, John Smith wrote:



On 8/31/2010 6:36 AM, Art Unwin wrote:

* ...

* Cecil as I stated before a electron can travel thru
two mediums OR along the path between the two mediums. The presence of
surface wave of propagation points to another medium whether it be
between Earth and the atmosphere OR the atmosphere is a medium itself..
It is because of this
electron travel along the surface of Earth that scientists come to the
conclusion that the atmosphere is a medium which they name.
This is not accepted by mainstream but to be fair mainstream has not
named or explained the medium that allowed for over the surface
electron travel.
*From my point of view the "missing" medium is a carpet of free
electrons that are bound in a skin as seen on surface tension on water
and it is this skin
or carpet upon Earth is the medium that explains the surface travel of
electrons, a missing medium that satisfies both sides of the puzzle.
Regards
Art

By golly, I believe you are getting it ... except for you focus on "a
surface." *We have a medium to test all this with, which is quite
suitable. *Water; *No surface is needed to produce sound within a body
of water, itself, water serving as the example of "ether." *A very
strong, varying, magnetic field, in the audio range, can work upon the
slightly magnetic atoms producing the sound. *In passing, "pumps", which
may someday propel vessels, can also use this effect to "pump" water
though a coil and propel the vessel. *Ether should be able to be
manipulated in a like manner ... now, unless you show up upon my
doorstep with a workable model of an "ether antenna", this all has, and
will remain, of little use. *However, I think you are just the man to do
it, Art. *wink

Regards,
JS

John
We now come down to the question as to whether the two vector
explanation is of any use by applying it to antennas.
Let me come back to the double helix or the "genome" of life
Science views a coil as a load with respect to antennas or a dummy
load again with respect to radiators. We all know that a coil can be
made where it is totally resistive and completly absent of
reactive forces because with the about turn of direction of current
flow stops the formation of both
capacitive and inductive vectors.
When the current flows thru the coil tradition points to science as
seeing this as the metallic resistance
of say aluminum. This is false in that the resistance
seen is the resistance to the skin depth anomally
created by the foot hold of a external magnetic field.
In this case there cannot be an external magnetic field ie no
reactances and therefore no skin resistance. Now it is this resistance
that was keeping current flow from rising to the SURFACE
of the radiator such that the radiator is not now the path that the
current takes which is now BETWEEN the two mediums such that its two
vectors direct current and displacement current can devote itself to
purely producing radiation by ejection of particles with spin. So in
other words
the external magnetic field by creating skin depth is the worst enemy
of radiation which is the creation
of a wastefull friction component. Removing that magnetic field is the
same as what superconductors do except in radiation current flow by
passes the subject mass regardess of its resident friction where as a
superconductor actually reduces the mass friction instead of by
passing it.
When applying this to computor program the radiation patter evolves
into two separate patterns merged into one wher the axis reflects the
two vectors of gravity and rotation.
As a side note the radiatin member is never totally devoid of
resistance ans it now takes on a vibratory action from the levitating
vector on its surface, so ohms law stays intact by virtue of the
change over to pendulum mathermatics
Regards
Art Unwin.....KB9MZ....xg

So John we now get to the final portion that closes the loop with
respect to radiation. The method of winding the coil is similar to a
solenoid without the central plunger. Around a solenoid is a shield to
retain the external magnetic field. This very arrangement is exactly
that of a Faraday shield but with two openings top and bottom and the
Faraday shield has the unique property of separating electric,magnetic
and time varying current into separate parts such that it is in effect
both a transmitter and receiver where as lternating current can be
used to form a tank circuit or alternatively
separate the time varying current back to drive a receiver. So the
same as what is required for a Faraday shield is also required for a
radiater which is a bleed line between the outside of the shield to
ground to remove static from the system. If one puts the solenoid or
Faraday shield over a
reflsector then we have two patterns each on a separate axis but
superimposed upon each other where the center plume relates to
gravity.
The above in no way violates existing laws for electrical components
and in fact support those in existence made by the Masters. All the
above enfolded by reviewing existing laws and expanding
thbe Gaussian static laws into dynamic form as the leader in the
resulting trail. Remember a vertical antenna must be tipped with
respect to Earth to reflect two vectors so it attains equilibrium.
Regards
Art Unwin KB9MZ.....xg
then one has a directional antenna which has two

On 8/31/2010 8:41 AM, Art Unwin wrote:

...
So John we now get to the final portion that closes the loop with
respect to radiation. The method of winding the coil is similar to a
solenoid without the central plunger. Around a solenoid is a shield to
retain the external magnetic field. This very arrangement is exactly
that of a Faraday shield but with two openings top and bottom and the
Faraday shield has the unique property of separating electric,magnetic
and time varying current into separate parts such that it is in effect
both a transmitter and receiver where as lternating current can be
used to form a tank circuit or alternatively
separate the time varying current back to drive a receiver. So the
same as what is required for a Faraday shield is also required for a
radiater which is a bleed line between the outside of the shield to
ground to remove static from the system. If one puts the solenoid or
Faraday shield over a
reflsector then we have two patterns each on a separate axis but
superimposed upon each other where the center plume relates to
gravity.
The above in no way violates existing laws for electrical components
and in fact support those in existence made by the Masters. All the
above enfolded by reviewing existing laws and expanding
thbe Gaussian static laws into dynamic form as the leader in the
resulting trail. Remember a vertical antenna must be tipped with
respect to Earth to reflect two vectors so it attains equilibrium.
Regards
Art Unwin KB9MZ.....xg
then one has a directional antenna which has two

Did anyone ever mention, you are a very prolific and productive writer?
And, I mean that in a good way, I do.

Regards,
JS

On Aug 31, 11:04*am, John Smith wrote:
On 8/31/2010 8:41 AM, Art Unwin wrote:



...
So John we now get to the final portion that closes the loop with
respect to radiation. The method of winding the coil is similar to a
solenoid without the central plunger. Around a solenoid is a shield to
retain the external magnetic field. This very arrangement is exactly
that of a Faraday shield but with two openings top and bottom and the
Faraday shield has the unique property of separating electric,magnetic
and time varying current into separate parts such that it is in effect
both a transmitter and receiver where as lternating current can be
used to form a tank circuit or alternatively
separate the time varying current back to drive a receiver. So the
same as what is required for a Faraday shield is also required for a
radiater which is a bleed line between the outside of the shield to
ground to remove static from the system. If one puts the solenoid or
Faraday shield over a
reflsector then we have two patterns each on a separate axis but
superimposed upon each other where the center plume relates to
gravity.
The above in no way violates existing laws for electrical components
and in fact support those in existence made by the Masters. All the
above enfolded by reviewing existing laws and expanding
thbe Gaussian static laws into dynamic form as the leader in the
resulting trail. Remember a vertical antenna must be tipped with
respect to Earth to reflect two vectors so it attains equilibrium.
Regards
Art Unwin KB9MZ.....xg
then one has a directional antenna which has two

Did anyone ever mention, you are a very prolific and productive writer?
* And, I mean that in a good way, I do.

Regards,
JS

John We live in a World that is not of our making.
It is us who search for the release of energy from that around us so
we can live the life we live. We have used electricity to create light
we did not generate the initial supply. Same goes for oil gas and wind
which uses the same two vectors supplied to us. But these energy
supplies are not enough to sustain the future and science cannot
produce new energy only to understand what is around us so that we can
then make the most of it.
Yes we use magnetic power to move friction to conserve energy by
levitation and what goes with that knowledge is the solenoid that
really is a double acting single cylinder that converts knowledge of
what we know into energy. The windmill uses the two vectors of the
weather straight and rotational and we know what the energy does
there. Now we have a faulty electrical grid system that must be
replaced and ideally Ac current is best for that but for the losses.
Now I point to a way of bypassing those same losses, a new ladder to
climb. By the way if you decide to make the antenna put a 20db
anttennuator in the line first to avoid destruction of the front end.
When I first connected up to 10 meters it wasn't open but the meter
shot over S9 forcing me to shut down quickly. When experiments with
superconductors for antennas 20 db improvement was noticed so one has
to be careful. A MRI can project a personal object being worn by a
patient
out of his clothing and thru a substantial wall so tread carefully.
Remember a lightning strike is nothing more than the static energy of
a particle seeking a place on Earth that it can rest after losing its
resting space created by updraft and temperature change. We know the
energy is there
the trick is to harness it.
Regards
Art

On Aug 31, 11:41*am, Art Unwin wrote:
On Aug 31, 11:04*am, John Smith wrote:



On 8/31/2010 8:41 AM, Art Unwin wrote:

...
So John we now get to the final portion that closes the loop with
respect to radiation. The method of winding the coil is similar to a
solenoid without the central plunger. Around a solenoid is a shield to
retain the external magnetic field. This very arrangement is exactly
that of a Faraday shield but with two openings top and bottom and the
Faraday shield has the unique property of separating electric,magnetic
and time varying current into separate parts such that it is in effect
both a transmitter and receiver where as lternating current can be
used to form a tank circuit or alternatively
separate the time varying current back to drive a receiver. So the
same as what is required for a Faraday shield is also required for a
radiater which is a bleed line between the outside of the shield to
ground to remove static from the system. If one puts the solenoid or
Faraday shield over a
reflsector then we have two patterns each on a separate axis but
superimposed upon each other where the center plume relates to
gravity.
The above in no way violates existing laws for electrical components
and in fact support those in existence made by the Masters. All the
above enfolded by reviewing existing laws and expanding
thbe Gaussian static laws into dynamic form as the leader in the
resulting trail. Remember a vertical antenna must be tipped with
respect to Earth to reflect two vectors so it attains equilibrium.
Regards
Art Unwin KB9MZ.....xg
then one has a directional antenna which has two

Did anyone ever mention, you are a very prolific and productive writer?
* And, I mean that in a good way, I do.

Regards,
JS

John We live in *a World that is not of our making.
It is us who search for the release of energy from that around us so
we can live the life we live. We have used electricity to create light
we did not generate the initial supply. Same goes for oil gas and wind
which uses the same two vectors supplied to us. But these energy
supplies are not enough to sustain the future and science cannot
produce new energy only to understand what is around us so that we can
then make the most of it.
Yes we use magnetic power to move friction to conserve energy by
levitation and what goes with that knowledge is the solenoid that
really is a double acting single cylinder that converts knowledge of
what we know into energy. The windmill uses the two vectors of the
weather straight and rotational and we know what the energy does
there. Now we have a faulty electrical grid system that must be
replaced and ideally Ac current is best for that but for the losses.
Now I point to a way of bypassing those same losses, a new ladder to
climb. By the way if you decide to make the antenna put a 20db
anttennuator in the line first to avoid destruction of the front end.
When I first connected up to 10 meters it wasn't open but the meter
shot over S9 forcing me to shut down quickly. When experiments with
superconductors for antennas 20 db improvement was noticed so one has
to be careful. A MRI can project a personal object being worn by a
patient
out of his clothing and thru a substantial wall so tread carefully.
Remember a lightning strike is nothing more than the static energy of
a particle seeking a place on Earth that it can rest after losing its
resting space created by updraft and temperature change. We know the
energy is there
the trick is to harness it.
Regards
Art

John
If we follow the pied piper on a well trodden trail then education is
plagerism at its worst.
Being like Jack with the bean stalk means curiousity leads you on a
path that is not well trodden but produces surprises and new vistas
never seen by man!
Heh I like how that sounds, very profound.

On 8/31/2010 9:59 AM, Art Unwin wrote:

...
John
If we follow the pied piper on a well trodden trail then education is
plagerism at its worst.
Being like Jack with the bean stalk means curiousity leads you on a
path that is not well trodden but produces surprises and new vistas
never seen by man!
Heh I like how that sounds, very profound.

Art,

You play to the choir.

Everyone who has found something new, has first had to surmount and
defeat ridicule and/or worse, before all claim him to be a genius. But,
doing such, surmounting/defeating ridicule, does not guarantee finding
something new.

There are many more men sitting in "nut houses", and "searching," than
there are discoveries to be made ... a wise man would tread the grounds
cautiously, as I have mentioned ... LOL

Regards,
JS

On Aug 31, 11:41*am, Art Unwin wrote:
John We live in *a World that is not of our making.

Some of us exceptions seem to create our own reality.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

On 8/31/2010 8:03 AM, Art Unwin wrote:

...
Regards
Art Unwin.....KB9MZ....xg

Art,

You waste your words on me. I will only cop to a few things:

1) I believe the ether is real and it exists about us, in us, everywhere.
2) All our "real matter" was ripped from the ether and is just ether
existing in an altered state, "this all" is not "normal."
3) Although we can't "see" the ether (yet), we can make guesses from
its' apparent properties. One important one, it is a superconductor.
EMF can, apparently, transverse it forever with no "loss" (some will
mention a "red shift", or "slowing", here.)
4) "Discovering" it will boost our economy, flood our markets with
uncountable new devices exploiting its' properties and raise mans'
scientific knowledge to unfathomable heights ...

Beyond that? Who knows ... I think, at this time, your ramblings are
just as valid as any I could make, about it, the ether ... since yours
sounds so "crazy", I hesitate to go into such depths ... sorry ...
remember, "fools" (well, Einstein did) run where brave men fear to go ...

The "double helix", as it involves antennas, is only a trick to me.
And, use to coax certain actions/behaviors from an antenna. It is
physical in existence and can affect antenna fields and other properties
.... it is no more profound or magical than a gamma match, capacitive
hat, etc., sorry ... at this point, this is all I want to know.

Regards,
JS

On Aug 31, 11:03*am, John Smith wrote:
On 8/31/2010 8:03 AM, Art Unwin wrote:

* ...

Regards
Art Unwin.....KB9MZ....xg

Art,

You waste your words on me. *I will only cop to a few things:

1) I believe the ether is real and it exists about us, in us, everywhere.
2) All our "real matter" was ripped from the ether and is just ether
existing in an altered state, "this all" is not "normal."
3) Although we can't "see" the ether (yet), we can make guesses from
its' apparent properties. *One important one, it is a superconductor.
EMF can, apparently, transverse it forever with no "loss" (some will
mention a "red shift", or "slowing", here.)
4) "Discovering" it will boost our economy, flood our markets with
uncountable new devices exploiting its' properties and raise mans'
scientific knowledge to unfathomable heights ...

Beyond that? *Who knows ... I think, at this time, your ramblings are
just as valid as any I could make, about it, the ether ... since yours
sounds so "crazy", I hesitate to go into such depths ... sorry ...
remember, "fools" (well, Einstein did) run where brave men fear to go ...

The "double helix", as it involves antennas, is only a trick to me.
And, use to coax certain actions/behaviors from an antenna. *It is
physical in existence and can affect antenna fields and other properties
... it is no more profound or magical than a gamma match, capacitive
hat, etc., sorry ... at this point, this is all I want to know.

Regards,
JS

John the question you raise with regard to the tank circuit is very
valid. But when a superconductor is used as a radiator removal of the
time varying current is consumed by losses
Let me propose the following, presently it is assumed that the super
conductor resistance goes to zero which embraces perpetual motion if
losses disappear. What if the current rose to the surface
like my antenna which is determined as the "Meissner effect". The
material is being bypassed
and replaced in the circuit by resistance traveling along the surface
which gives you the analogy of the long pendulum. One has to be wary
of embracing perpetual motion as in itself it destroys all we have
determined in physics.

On 8/31/2010 10:24 AM, Art Unwin wrote:

...
John the question you raise with regard to the tank circuit is very
valid. But when a superconductor is used as a radiator removal of the
time varying current is consumed by losses
Let me propose the following, presently it is assumed that the super
conductor resistance goes to zero which embraces perpetual motion if
losses disappear. What if the current rose to the surface
like my antenna which is determined as the "Meissner effect". The
material is being bypassed
and replaced in the circuit by resistance traveling along the surface
which gives you the analogy of the long pendulum. One has to be wary
of embracing perpetual motion as in itself it destroys all we have
determined in physics.

Art,

My buss travels another direction, I must leave you here ... good-day!

Regards,
JS