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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

In each radiator is a stream of electrons. The oscillating pump is in the
transmitter. But where is the tank with the electrons?

Where is the source of drugs that make you post this babbling nonsense?


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On 10/7/2010 10:35 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

...
In each radiator is a stream of electrons. The oscillating pump is in the
transmitter. But where is the tank with the electrons?
...

Now, that is just plain silly! How are you going to Bismuth plate an
oscillating electron pump? straight face

Regards,
JS

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On 10/7/2010 9:41 AM, Man-wai Chang wrote:

...
You meant I could use the aluminum window frames as a big antenna? :)
...

Absolutely! But, don't you find the aluminum round tubing more suitable?

Regards,
JS

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On Oct 7, 4:41Â*pm, Man-wai Chang wrote:
Since the conductivity of aluminum is about 43 times higher than that of
bisimuth, I think you are babbling.

You meant I could use the aluminum window frames as a big antenna? :)

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YES! i have done that and it works great... even better than
bedsprings because you can make it vertically polarized by feeding in
the right place.

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You meant I could use the aluminum window frames as a big antenna? :)
Absolutely!

For both AM & FM?

But, don't you find the aluminum round tubing more suitable?

But the window frame is right here! :)

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Uzytkownik "John Smith" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On 10/7/2010 10:35 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

...
In each radiator is a stream of electrons. The oscillating pump is in the
transmitter. But where is the tank with the electrons?
...

Now, that is just plain silly! How are you going to Bismuth plate an
oscillating electron pump? straight face

Art wrote: "What do you think?"

So I wrote that antennas are made of metalic conductors, salt waters and
live tree. It seem that material is not important.
The key factor is the oscillating, nonsymetrical flow of electrons. We need
the tank, the pump and an antenna. May be with or without Bismuth plate.
S*

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On Oct 5, 2:31*am, Art Unwin wrote:
Antennas usually are made of aluminum as copper is somewhat heavier
and silver and gold is to expensive. Since lead is now banned in a lot
of places especially with solder you can now buy solder that is doped
with Bismuth !
Now you can't coat your elements with it but *if you have a solder
bath you can run copper wire thru it. The bismuth is brittle
but with the underlying copper it is stiff enough to stick it on the
antenna elements. I am assuming that the applied current would travel
along the bismuth coating instead of the aluminum and therefore should
increase gain for antennas that use coupling methods such as the Yagi
tho bandwidth may well suffer some what.
What do you think?

testing, 1, 2, 3... can you hear me now??

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On Oct 8, 2:14*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
The key factor is the oscillating, nonsymetrical flow of electrons.

"... for a copper wire of radius 1 mm carrying a steady current of 10
amps, the drift velocity (of the free electrons) is only about 0.024
cm/sec!"

The key factor is the generation, by the oscillating electrons, of RF
photons/fields/waves (traveling at the speed of light) .
--
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On Oct 8, 2:14*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "John Smith" napisal w ...

On 10/7/2010 10:35 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

...
In each radiator is a stream of electrons. The oscillating pump is in the
transmitter. But where is the tank with the electrons?
...

Now, that is just plain silly! *How are you going to Bismuth plate an
oscillating electron pump? *straight face
Art wrote: "What do you think?"

So I wrote that antennas are made of metalic conductors, salt waters and
live tree. It seem that material is not important.
The key factor is the oscillating, nonsymetrical flow of electrons. We need
the tank, the pump and an antenna. May be with or without Bismuth plate.
S*

The implication by many is that the radiation particles or electrons
are extracted from the actual radiator.
Where did this notion come from and what is its justification?

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

So I wrote that antennas are made of metalic conductors, salt waters and
live tree. It seem that material is not important.

That's because you are a babbling idiot.

The material is very important in the real world.

The key factor is the oscillating, nonsymetrical flow of electrons. We need
the tank, the pump and an antenna. May be with or without Bismuth plate.
S*

Babbling, kook, word salad, nonsense.


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On Oct 8, 2:57*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Oct 8, 2:14*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



Uzytkownik "John Smith" napisal w ...

On 10/7/2010 10:35 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

...
In each radiator is a stream of electrons. The oscillating pump is in the
transmitter. But where is the tank with the electrons?
...

Now, that is just plain silly! *How are you going to Bismuth plate an
oscillating electron pump? *straight face
Art wrote: "What do you think?"

So I wrote that antennas are made of metalic conductors, salt waters and
live tree. It seem that material is not important.
The key factor is the oscillating, nonsymetrical flow of electrons. We need
the tank, the pump and an antenna. May be with or without Bismuth plate..
S*

The implication by many is that the radiation particles or electrons
are extracted from the actual radiator.
Where did this notion come from and what is its justification?

there is no justification, just mr.b's delusion that is even worse
than your levitating neutrinos. He thinks that its the actual
electrons that jump off the antenna and flow to the receivers.
Now ain't that a gas?

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On Oct 8, 2:11*pm, K1TTT wrote:
On Oct 8, 2:57*pm, Art Unwin wrote:



On Oct 8, 2:14*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Uzytkownik "John Smith" napisal w ...

On 10/7/2010 10:35 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

...
In each radiator is a stream of electrons. The oscillating pump is in the
transmitter. But where is the tank with the electrons?
...

Now, that is just plain silly! *How are you going to Bismuth plate an
oscillating electron pump? *straight face
Art wrote: "What do you think?"

So I wrote that antennas are made of metalic conductors, salt waters and
live tree. It seem that material is not important.
The key factor is the oscillating, nonsymetrical flow of electrons. We need
the tank, the pump and an antenna. May be with or without Bismuth plate.
S*

The implication by many is that the radiation particles or electrons
are extracted from the actual radiator.
Where did this notion come from and what is its justification?

there is no justification, just mr.b's delusion that is even worse
than your levitating neutrinos. *He thinks that its the actual
electrons that jump off the antenna and flow to the receivers.
Now ain't that a gas?

Well we do have opinions exceptpenniokio but where is the backup data?
I would imagine that some old timers are getting near the end of their
antennas life, as what started with a thick radiator has now got down
to a couple of mills and drooping
and only a few electrons left.
On the other hand it is well established that billions of particles
inhabit every cubic metre on earth and the question is that if we
don't allow these particles or neutrinos to settle or rest a dense
fog is going to envelope the earth killing mankind and allowing the
dynasaurs to come back. We already have some dynasoars in the making
on this thread!

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On Oct 8, 7:23*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Oct 8, 2:11*pm, K1TTT wrote:



On Oct 8, 2:57*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

On Oct 8, 2:14*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Uzytkownik "John Smith" napisal w ...

On 10/7/2010 10:35 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

...
In each radiator is a stream of electrons. The oscillating pump is in the
transmitter. But where is the tank with the electrons?
...

Now, that is just plain silly! *How are you going to Bismuth plate an
oscillating electron pump? *straight face
Art wrote: "What do you think?"

So I wrote that antennas are made of metalic conductors, salt waters and
live tree. It seem that material is not important.
The key factor is the oscillating, nonsymetrical flow of electrons. We need
the tank, the pump and an antenna. May be with or without Bismuth plate.
S*

The implication by many is that the radiation particles or electrons
are extracted from the actual radiator.
Where did this notion come from and what is its justification?

there is no justification, just mr.b's delusion that is even worse
than your levitating neutrinos. *He thinks that its the actual
electrons that jump off the antenna and flow to the receivers.
Now ain't that a gas?

Well we do have opinions exceptpenniokio but where is the backup data?

YOU want backup data?? talk about the pot calling the kettle black,
where is the backup data for your levitating neutrinos?

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On Oct 8, 10:46*am, K1TTT wrote:
On Oct 5, 2:31*am, Art Unwin wrote:

Antennas usually are made of aluminum as copper is somewhat heavier
and silver and gold is to expensive. Since lead is now banned in a lot
of places especially with solder you can now buy solder that is doped
with Bismuth !
Now you can't coat your elements with it but *if you have a solder
bath you can run copper wire thru it. The bismuth is brittle
but with the underlying copper it is stiff enough to stick it on the
antenna elements. I am assuming that the applied current would travel
along the bismuth coating instead of the aluminum and therefore should
increase gain for antennas that use coupling methods such as the Yagi
tho bandwidth may well suffer some what.
What do you think?

testing, 1, 2, 3... can you hear me now??

i guess the logjam finally broke. google has been bouncing and
queuing these up for days now!

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"Cecil Moore" wrote
...
On Oct 8, 2:14 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
The key factor is the oscillating, nonsymetrical flow of electrons.

"... for a copper wire of radius 1 mm carrying a steady current of 10
amps, the drift velocity (of the free electrons) is only about 0.024
cm/sec!"

In the oryginal Hertz dipole electrons jumps accros the big gap with the
high frequency. Calculate the velocity.

The key factor is the generation, by the oscillating electrons, of RF
photons/fields/waves (traveling at the speed of light) .

Electrons do not need go-between. Electric waves are in substances and in
the plasma (rare plasma in space).
S*

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Uzytkownik "Art Unwin" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Oct 8, 2:14 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Art wrote: "What do you think?"

So I wrote that antennas are made of metalic conductors, salt waters and
live tree. It seem that material is not important.
The key factor is the oscillating, nonsymetrical flow of electrons. We
need
the tank, the pump and an antenna. May be with or without Bismuth plate.
S*

The implication by many is that the radiation particles or electrons
are extracted from the actual radiator.
Where did this notion come from and what is its justification?

Electrons are expelled in the result of the voltage doubling in the end of
an antenna.

The transmitter create the pulsatin flow of electrons.
"Unsteady flow is present in man, machine and nature. The flow of blood in
arteries and capillaries in the human body is pulsatile- composed of a mean
flow superposed with an oscillating component. The tides that wash in and
out of rivers, harbors and estuaries are unsteady flows with very long
periods of oscillation. Many engineering devices employ pulsatile and
oscillating flow. Pulsating flow is defined here as a periodic flow with a
net displacement of fluid over each flow cycle. Oscillating flow is defined
as a periodic flow with a zero mean over each cycle."

"a periodic flow with a net displacement of fluid over each flow cycle"
needs a tank of electrons. It has many names: ground, counterpoise, radials
and chassis.
S*

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Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Oct 8, 2:57 pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Oct 8, 2:14 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Art wrote: "What do you think?"

So I wrote that antennas are made of metalic conductors, salt waters
and
live tree. It seem that material is not important.
The key factor is the oscillating, nonsymetrical flow of electrons. We
need
the tank, the pump and an antenna. May be with or without Bismuth plate.
S*

The implication by many is that the radiation particles or electrons
are extracted from the actual radiator.
Where did this notion come from and what is its justification?

there is no justification, just mr.b's delusion that is even worse
than your levitating neutrinos. He thinks that its the actual
electrons that jump off the antenna and flow to the receivers.
Now ain't that a gas?

It seems that you do not know too much about the pulsatile and oscillating
flow.
"Unsteady flow is present in man, machine and nature. The flow of blood in
arteries and capillaries in the human body is pulsatile- composed of a mean
flow superposed with an oscillating component. The tides that wash in and
out of rivers, harbors and estuaries are unsteady flows with very long
periods of oscillation. Many engineering devices employ pulsatile and
oscillating flow. Pulsating flow is defined here as a periodic flow with a
net displacement of fluid over each flow cycle. Oscillating flow is defined
as a periodic flow with a zero mean over each cycle." From:
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/GL...CR-198416.html
S*

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You meant I could use the aluminum window frames as a big antenna? :)

YES! i have done that and it works great... even better than
bedsprings because you can make it vertically polarized by feeding in
the right place.

Did u solder a wire from the radio to the window frame? How did you do it?

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On Oct 9, 8:33Â*am, Man-wai Chang wrote:
You meant I could use the aluminum window frames as a big antenna? :)

YES! Â*i have done that and it works great... even better than
bedsprings because you can make it vertically polarized by feeding in
the right place.

Did u solder a wire from the radio to the window frame? How did you do it?

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just an alligator clip.

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On Oct 9, 7:25*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w ...
On Oct 8, 2:57 pm, Art Unwin wrote:



On Oct 8, 2:14 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Art wrote: "What do you think?"

So I wrote that antennas are made of metalic conductors, salt waters
and
live tree. It seem that material is not important.
The key factor is the oscillating, nonsymetrical flow of electrons. We
need
the tank, the pump and an antenna. May be with or without Bismuth plate.
S*

The implication by many is that the radiation particles or electrons
are extracted from the actual radiator.
Where did this notion come from and what is its justification?
there is no justification, just mr.b's delusion that is even worse

than your levitating neutrinos. *He thinks that its the actual
electrons that jump off the antenna and flow to the receivers.
Now ain't that a gas?

It seems that you do not know too much about the pulsatile and oscillating
flow.
"Unsteady flow is present in man, machine and nature. The flow of blood in
arteries and capillaries in the human body is pulsatile- composed of a mean
flow superposed with an oscillating component. The tides that wash in and
out of rivers, harbors and estuaries are unsteady flows with very long
periods of oscillation. Many engineering devices employ pulsatile and
oscillating flow. Pulsating flow is defined here as a periodic flow with a
net displacement of fluid over each flow cycle. Oscillating flow is defined
as a periodic flow with a zero mean over each cycle." From:http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/GL...CR-198416.html
S*

great laugh isn't he art... you two should collaborate on a grand new
theory of em particulate flow, between your magical levitating
diamagnetic solar neutrinos that we are all drowning in and his
'pulsatile' electron flow maybe you could come up with something that
has even more humor potential!

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Uzytkownik "K1TTT" wrote
...

great laugh isn't he art... you two should collaborate on a grand new
theory of em particulate flow, between your magical levitating
diamagnetic solar neutrinos that we are all drowning in and his
'pulsatile' electron flow maybe you could come up with something that
has even more humor potential!

Look at "Simplest Crystal Radi" in:
http://hackingwithgum.com/2009/06/08...s-really-work/

There is the antenna, diode and ground. Is there the "pulsatile electron
flow "?

If the transmitter produces the AC current and at the end of the antenna the
voltage is doubled and the field emission take place is there the "pulsatile
electron flow "?

In radials no voltage doubling so the field emissions take place only in one
end.

Is it too dificult for you. You are an engineer.
S*

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On Oct 9, 6:20*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "K1TTT" ...

great laugh isn't he art... you two should collaborate on a grand new

theory of em particulate flow, between your magical levitating
diamagnetic solar neutrinos that we are all drowning in and his
'pulsatile' electron flow maybe you could come up with something that
has even more humor potential!

Look at "Simplest Crystal Radi" in:http://hackingwithgum.com/2009/06/08...s-really-work/

There is the antenna, diode and ground. Is there the "pulsatile electron
flow "?

If the transmitter produces the AC current and at the end of the antenna the
voltage is doubled and the field emission take place is there the "pulsatile
electron flow "?

In radials no voltage doubling so the field emissions take place only in one
end.

Is it too dificult for you. You are an engineer.
S*

how does the electron know if it is at the end of an antenna wire or
the end of a radial wire?

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Look at "Simplest Crystal Radi" in:
http://hackingwithgum.com/2009/06/08...s-really-work/

There is the antenna, diode and ground. Is there the "pulsatile electron
flow "?

If the transmitter produces the AC current and at the end of the antenna the
voltage is doubled and the field emission take place is there the "pulsatile
electron flow "?

In radials no voltage doubling so the field emissions take place only in one
end.

Is it too dificult for you. You are an engineer.
S*

Babbling gibberish.


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Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Oct 9, 6:20 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Look at "Simplest Crystal Radi" in:
http://hackingwithgum.com/2009/06/08...s-really-work/

There is the antenna, diode and ground. Is there the "pulsatile electron
flow "?

If the transmitter produces the AC current and at the end of the antenna
the
voltage is doubled and the field emission take place is there the
"pulsatile
electron flow "?

In radials no voltage doubling so the field emissions take place only in
one
end.

Is it too dificult for you. You are an engineer.

how does the electron know if it is at the end of an antenna wire or
the end of a radial wire?

The first sensible question.

"Radials and Counterpoises have two basic purposes:
1. To improve the RF ground conductivity for the ground current return path.
Unless you live in a salt-water swamp, your ground conductivity makes a very
poor path for the return of ground currents. This increases the ground
losses and reduces the efficiency of an antenna that needs a good RF ground.

E. More radial wires are generally better. As the number gets larger, they
improve the RF Ground less and less, to the point where there is no
difference when adding one more radial to a system that already has 120
installed. Minimum systems of as few as 4 wires can provide an acceptable
ground and increase the antenna's efficiency by a significant amount.
Generally, 6-8 radials is the minimum that should be used." From:
http://www.sgcworld.com/radialstechnote.html

As you see in the radials are many ends. There is the lower voltage and
almost no radiation (electron loss). Radial work like the receiver antena
(caught electrons from air)

Without the radials your stations can work only in a "salt-water swamp".

S*

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On Oct 10, 9:06*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w ...
On Oct 9, 6:20 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:





Look at "Simplest Crystal Radi" in:
http://hackingwithgum.com/2009/06/08...s-really-work/

There is the antenna, diode and ground. Is there the "pulsatile electron
flow "?

If the transmitter produces the AC current and at the end of the antenna
the
voltage is doubled and the field emission take place is there the
"pulsatile
electron flow "?

In radials no voltage doubling so the field emissions take place only in
one
end.

Is it too dificult for you. You are an engineer.
how does the electron know if it is at the end of an antenna wire or

the end of a radial wire?

The first sensible question.

"Radials and Counterpoises have two basic purposes:
1. To improve the RF ground conductivity for the ground current return path.
Unless you live in a salt-water swamp, your ground conductivity makes a very
poor path for the return of ground currents. This increases the ground
losses and reduces the efficiency of an antenna that needs a good RF ground.

E. More radial wires are generally better. As the number gets larger, they
improve the RF Ground less and less, to the point where there is no
difference when adding one more radial to a system that already has 120
installed. Minimum systems of as few as 4 wires can provide an acceptable
ground and increase the antenna's efficiency by a significant amount.
Generally, 6-8 radials is the minimum that should be used." From:http://www.sgcworld.com/radialstechnote.html

As you see in the radials are many ends. There is the lower voltage and
almost no radiation (electron loss). Radial work like the receiver antena
(caught electrons from air)

Without the radials your stations can work only in a "salt-water swamp".

S*

yes, but how does the electron in a single radial know it is at the
end of a radial and not double as opposed to the electron at the end
of an antenna that does double??

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Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Oct 10, 9:06 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Generally, 6-8 radials is the minimum that should be used." From:
http://www.sgcworld.com/radialstechnote.html

As you see in the radials are many ends. There is the lower voltage and
almost no radiation (electron loss). Radial work like the receiver antena
(caught electrons from air)

Without the radials your stations can work only in a "salt-water swamp".

yes, but how does the electron in a single radial know it is at the
end of a radial and not double

In each end the voltage has tendency to be doubled (standing wave). If you
have radials and the LED you can measure the voltage. It will be lower in 10
radials than in 6.

as opposed to the electron at the end
of an antenna that does double??

You know what to do to have low VSWR. Low VSWR means that the voltage is so
high that the intensive emission of electrons take place.

At higher voltage the emission or sparks make low VSWR.
S*

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On Oct 10, 1:13*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w ...
On Oct 10, 9:06 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Generally, 6-8 radials is the minimum that should be used." From:
http://www.sgcworld.com/radialstechnote.html

As you see in the radials are many ends. There is the lower voltage and
almost no radiation (electron loss). Radial work like the receiver antena
(caught electrons from air)

Without the radials your stations can work only in a "salt-water swamp".

yes, but how does the electron in a single radial know it is at the

end of a radial and not double

In each end the voltage has tendency to be doubled (standing wave). If you
have radials and the LED you can measure the voltage. It will be lower in 10
radials than in 6.

oh, so it does double at the end of a radial.. that is different from
what you said earlier.


as opposed to the electron at the end

of an antenna that does double??

You know what to do to have low VSWR. Low VSWR means that the voltage is so
high that the intensive emission of electrons take place.

*At higher voltage the emission or sparks make low VSWR.
S*

oh, so the swr changes with transmitter power? that is an observable
prediction that is obviously false... go back to square 1 and start
your theory over again.

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just an alligator clip.

Thx

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Antenna materials
 

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

As you see in the radials are many ends. There is the lower voltage and
almost no radiation (electron loss). Radial work like the receiver antena
(caught electrons from air)

Without the radials your stations can work only in a "salt-water swamp".

Babbling nonsense.


--
Jim Pennino

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In article ,
"Szczepan Bialek" wrote:


The first sensible question.

"Radials and Counterpoises have two basic purposes:
1. To improve the RF ground conductivity for the ground current return path.
Unless you live in a salt-water swamp, your ground conductivity makes a very
poor path for the return of ground currents. This increases the ground
losses and reduces the efficiency of an antenna that needs a good RF ground.

E. More radial wires are generally better. As the number gets larger, they
improve the RF Ground less and less, to the point where there is no
difference when adding one more radial to a system that already has 120
installed. Minimum systems of as few as 4 wires can provide an acceptable
ground and increase the antenna's efficiency by a significant amount.
Generally, 6-8 radials is the minimum that should be used." From:
http://www.sgcworld.com/radialstechnote.html

If you believe ANYTHING that was published by SGC, you need to go back
to school and relearn everything you ever thought you knew about RF
Antenna Systems. There is a reason Don Stoner, left the company decades
ago, and PeeAir couldn't design his way out of a Wet Paper Bag.


As you see in the radials are many ends. There is the lower voltage and
almost no radiation (electron loss). Radial work like the receiver antena
(caught electrons from air)

Without the radials your stations can work only in a "salt-water swamp".

S*

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"you" wrote
...
In article ,
"Szczepan Bialek" wrote:


"Radials and Counterpoises have two basic purposes:
1. To improve the RF ground conductivity for the ground current return
path.
" From:
http://www.sgcworld.com/radialstechnote.html

If you believe ANYTHING that was published by SGC, you need to go back
to school and relearn everything you ever thought you knew about RF
Antenna Systems. There is a reason Don Stoner, left the company decades
ago, and PeeAir couldn't design his way out of a Wet Paper Bag.

We are discussing on the pulsatile flows of electrons and emission of them
from antenna end at transmitting.
At receiving the pulsative flow is in the oppsite direction.
Do you agree?
S*

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On 10/10/2010 11:54 AM, Szczepan Bia³ek wrote:

...
We are discussing on the pulsatile flows of electrons and emission of them
from antenna end at transmitting.
At receiving the pulsative flow is in the oppsite direction.
Do you agree?
S*

Yeah, have heard that described before ... medical marijuana has gotten
a lot more potent, huh?

Regards,
JS

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"K1TTT" wrote
...
On Oct 10, 1:13 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

In each end the voltage has tendency to be doubled (standing wave). If
you
have radials and the LED you can measure the voltage. It will be lower in
10
radials than in 6.

oh, so it does double at the end of a radial.. that is different from
what you said earlier.

Existence of the standing waves was shown by Oliver Lodge. They are in each
wire.


as opposed to the electron at the end
of an antenna that does double??

You know what to do to have low VSWR. Low VSWR means that the voltage is
so
high that the intensive emission of electrons take place.

At higher voltage the emission or sparks make low VSWR.

oh, so the swr changes with transmitter power?

I wrote: "You know what to do to have low VSWR". Do you?

that is an observable
prediction that is obviously false... go back to square 1 and start
your theory over again.

Here no new theory. Pulsative flow and the field emission are very old.

Is the pulsative flow of electrons in antennas?
S*

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On Oct 10, 3:04*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...
On Oct 10, 1:13 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



In each end the voltage has tendency to be doubled (standing wave). If
you
have radials and the LED you can measure the voltage. It will be lower in
10
radials than in 6.
oh, so it does double at the end of a radial.. that is different from

what you said earlier.

Existence of the standing waves was shown by Oliver Lodge. They are in each
wire.



as opposed to the electron at the end
of an antenna that does double??

You know what to do to have low VSWR. Low VSWR means that the voltage is
so
high that the intensive emission of electrons take place.

At higher voltage the emission or sparks make low VSWR.

oh, so the swr changes with transmitter power?
I wrote: "You know what to do to have low VSWR". Do you?
that is an observable

prediction that is obviously false... go back to square 1 and start
your theory over again.

Here no new theory. Pulsative flow and the field emission are very old.

Is the pulsative flow of electrons in antennas?
S*

no, the flow of electrons stays in the antenna and is sinusoidal...
they do not jump off the antenna.

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On 10/10/2010 5:11 PM, K1TTT wrote:

...
no, the flow of electrons stays in the antenna and is sinusoidal...
they do not jump off the antenna.

Do you people realize, I puke every time this putrid piece of chit posts
.... just in case you were wondering ... why would anyone tolerate doodoo?

Regards,
JS

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"K1TTT" wrote
...
On Oct 10, 3:04 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Is the pulsative flow of electrons in antennas?

no, the flow of electrons stays in the antenna and is sinusoidal...

In a cristal radio is the diode. The electrons flow from the antenna to
ground. Where they come from?

they do not jump off the antenna.

They must do it in the transmitting antenna.
They are members of "pulsatile- composed of a mean
flow superposed with an oscillating component".

In reality no "sinusoidal...". The forward motion is always stronger than
the back.
S*

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On Oct 11, 3:38*am, John Smith wrote:
On 10/10/2010 5:11 PM, K1TTT wrote:

...
no, the flow of electrons stays in the antenna and is sinusoidal...
they do not jump off the antenna.

Do you people realize, I puke every time this putrid piece of chit posts
... just in case you were wondering ... why would anyone tolerate doodoo?

Regards,
JS

great way to loose weight!

Antenna materials
 

On Oct 11, 3:43*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...
On Oct 10, 3:04 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



Is the pulsative flow of electrons in antennas?
no, the flow of electrons stays in the antenna and is sinusoidal...

In a cristal radio is the diode. The electrons flow from the antenna to
ground. Where they come from?

they do not jump off the antenna.

They must do it in the transmitting antenna.
They are members of "pulsatile- composed of a mean
flow superposed with an oscillating component".

In reality no "sinusoidal...". The forward motion is always stronger than
the back.
S*

give me a number. if i transmit 1kw on 14mhz how much dc current must
my transmitter be supplying in addition to the 1kw ac sinusoid that my
meter measures??

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On Oct 11, 2:43*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...
On Oct 10, 3:04 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
In a cristal radio is the diode. The electrons flow from the antenna to
ground. Where they come from?

"... for a copper wire of radius 1 mm carrying a steady current of 10
amps, the (electron) drift velocity is only about 0.024 cm/sec". At
100 ns per RF cycle, the above electron moves back and forth about 10
nanometers, i.e. it doesn't "flow" anywhere except at DC.

At RF those electrons never make it from the antenna to ground and
instead essentially vibrate in place. The only thing that flows at the
speed of light is photons/fields/waves. The slow-moving vibrating
electron carriers form a bucket brigade for the fast moving photonic
energy. That fact of physics wasn't fully understood until the field
of quantum physics matured. EM fields and waves turned out to be
particles that are photonic in nature.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com