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On Oct 18, 2:44*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Photons are the math joke.

:-) ... he says as photons impacting his retina allow him to read the
postings and see his keyboard.
--
Cecil, w5dxp.com

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"Cecil Moore" wrote
...
On Oct 18, 2:44 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Photons are the math joke.

:-) ... he says as photons impacting his retina allow him to read the
postings and see his keyboard.

Light is not coherent. It is "produced" in the packets (photons). But the
radio waves and the radiation from the "free electron laser" are coherent.
When the photons start and when finish?
S*

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On Oct 18, 7:44*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "Cecil Moore" napisal w ...
On Oct 17, 11:06 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

"Exactly how much horizontal movement can there be in the free electrons
when the electric wave is moving at 300000 km/h?
Already answered earlier in this thread. For HF frequencies, the

horizontal movement of the electrons is minuscule and they can be
considered to be oscillating in place.

Waves are described in the two method: " More generally, the Stokes drift
velocity is the difference between the
*average Lagrangian flow velocity of a fluid parcel, and the average
Eulerian *flow velocity of the fluid at a fixed position. This nonlinear
phenomenon *is *named after George Gabriel Stokes, who derived expressions
for this drift *in *his 1847 study of water waves."

It is the photons that move at the speed of light.

Photons are the math joke.
Electric waves in a medium made of electrons move at the speed of light.
S*

the waves are photons, or the photons are waves, either way they move
at the speed of light, the electrons do not move at the speed of light.

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On 10/18/2010 2:37 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

The vector calculus describe only movements.

Really? I did not know that.

Crap. And argh.

I thought it was more useful than that.

Who knew?

tom
K0TAR

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On 10/18/2010 2:44 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Uzytkownik "Cecil napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Oct 17, 11:06 am, "Szczepan wrote:
"Exactly how much horizontal movement can there be in the free electrons
when the electric wave is moving at 300000 km/h?

Already answered earlier in this thread. For HF frequencies, the
horizontal movement of the electrons is minuscule and they can be
considered to be oscillating in place.

Waves are described in the two method: " More generally, the Stokes drift
velocity is the difference between the
average Lagrangian flow velocity of a fluid parcel, and the average
Eulerian flow velocity of the fluid at a fixed position. This nonlinear
phenomenon is named after George Gabriel Stokes, who derived expressions
for this drift in his 1847 study of water waves."

It is the photons that move at the speed of light.

Photons are the math joke.
Electric waves in a medium made of electrons move at the speed of light.
S*



One thing I'm wondering. In your world, how does the energy jump from
electron to electron? And try to make some sort of sense for once. Please.

tom
K0TAR

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On 10/18/2010 11:46 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
"Cecil wrote
...
On Oct 18, 2:44 am, "Szczepan wrote:
Photons are the math joke.

:-) ... he says as photons impacting his retina allow him to read the
postings and see his keyboard.

Light is not coherent. It is "produced" in the packets (photons). But the
radio waves and the radiation from the "free electron laser" are coherent.
When the photons start and when finish?
S*



Where did Cecil mention "coherence"?

tom
K0TAR

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On 10/18/2010 2:44 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Uzytkownik "Cecil napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Oct 17, 11:06 am, "Szczepan wrote:
"Exactly how much horizontal movement can there be in the free electrons
when the electric wave is moving at 300000 km/h?

Already answered earlier in this thread. For HF frequencies, the
horizontal movement of the electrons is minuscule and they can be
considered to be oscillating in place.

Waves are described in the two method: " More generally, the Stokes drift
velocity is the difference between the
average Lagrangian flow velocity of a fluid parcel, and the average
Eulerian flow velocity of the fluid at a fixed position. This nonlinear
phenomenon is named after George Gabriel Stokes, who derived expressions
for this drift in his 1847 study of water waves."

It is the photons that move at the speed of light.

Photons are the math joke.
Electric waves in a medium made of electrons move at the speed of light.
S*



Another couple questions. Should be easy answers for you.

Since your model supposes that the "plasma" carries the signal, what
does the model predict as the radiation resistance of a dipole in free
space?

Given your model, which you have spoken about at some length but no
depth, why wouldn't your predicted radiation resistance change with
plasma density, contrary to all measurements ever made?

tom
K0TAR

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"tom" wrote
. net...
On 10/18/2010 11:46 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
"Cecil wrote
...
On Oct 18, 2:44 am, "Szczepan wrote:
Photons are the math joke.

:-) ... he says as photons impacting his retina allow him to read the
postings and see his keyboard.

Light is not coherent. It is "produced" in the packets (photons). But the
radio waves and the radiation from the "free electron laser" are
coherent.
When the photons start and when finish?
S*

Where did Cecil mention "coherence"?

Photons and incoherence are the same. "In 1900, Max Planck was working on
black-body radiation and suggested that the energy in electromagnetic waves
could only be released in "packets" of energy".

In a black body is many dipoles which work with brakes. In radio a dipole
(or monopole) works continously.
S*

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"tom" wrote
. net...
On 10/18/2010 2:44 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Waves are described in the two method: " More generally, the Stokes drift
velocity is the difference between the
average Lagrangian flow velocity of a fluid parcel, and the average
Eulerian flow velocity of the fluid at a fixed position. This nonlinear
phenomenon is named after George Gabriel Stokes, who derived
expressions
for this drift in his 1847 study of water waves."

It is the photons that move at the speed of light.

Photons are the math joke.
Electric waves in a medium made of electrons move at the speed of light.
S*

One thing I'm wondering. In your world, how does the energy jump from
electron to electron? And try to make some sort of sense for once.
Please.

They have the kinetic energy. "the energy jump from electron to electron"
by collisions.

It is a full analogy with the acoustic waves. Molecules are the medium for
acoustic and free electrpns for the electric waves.
S*

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"tom" wrote
. net...

Electric waves in a medium made of electrons move at the speed of light.

Another couple questions. Should be easy answers for you.

Since your model supposes that the "plasma" carries the signal, what does
the model predict as the radiation resistance of a dipole in free space?

Given your model, which you have spoken about at some length but no depth,
why wouldn't your predicted radiation resistance change with plasma
density, contrary to all measurements ever made?

It is not my model but Tesla's. Probably he was spoken deeper.
You try to marry Heaviside with Tesla. TEM are not longitudinal.
Longitudinal waves have analogy with acoustic waves.
S*


tom
K0TAR

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On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:43:42 -0500, tom wrote:

On 10/18/2010 2:37 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

The vector calculus describe only movements.

Really? I did not know that.

Crap. And argh.

I thought it was more useful than that.

Who knew?

Stalin had the science writers purge their texts of those qualities
that you miss and that we enjoy here in the west (they were condemned
as bourgeois inspired perversions with counter-revolution tendencies).
Hence you find decrepit pensioners sneering at elitist propaganda
(western science) that dismisses the party-approved water models of RF
transmission. In the historical perspective, we have to remember this
state inspired instruction was learned in an era of RF transmission
jammers located in every neighborhood so that trying to hear the VOA
or the BBC made things sound like you were listening through the
breakers of the surf. Hence the "experience" of the water model was
very pervasive and arguing its falsity comes up against the resistance
of the old guard.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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On Oct 19, 7:49*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"tom" ouse.net...



On 10/18/2010 2:44 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Waves are described in the two method: " More generally, the Stokes drift
velocity is the difference between the
* average Lagrangian flow velocity of a fluid parcel, and the average
Eulerian *flow velocity of the fluid at a fixed position. This nonlinear
phenomenon *is *named after George Gabriel Stokes, who derived
expressions
for this drift *in *his 1847 study of water waves."

It is the photons that move at the speed of light.

Photons are the math joke.
Electric waves in a medium made of electrons move at the speed of light.

Antenna materials
 

"Richard Clark" wrote
...
On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:43:42 -0500, tom wrote:

On 10/18/2010 2:37 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

The vector calculus describe only movements.

Really? I did not know that.

Crap. And argh.

I thought it was more useful than that.

Who knew?

Stalin had the science writers purge their texts of those qualities
that you miss and that we enjoy here in the west (they were condemned
as bourgeois inspired perversions with counter-revolution tendencies).
Hence you find decrepit pensioners sneering at elitist propaganda
(western science) that dismisses the party-approved water models of RF
transmission. In the historical perspective, we have to remember this
state inspired instruction was learned in an era of RF transmission
jammers located in every neighborhood so that trying to hear the VOA
or the BBC made things sound like you were listening through the
breakers of the surf. Hence the "experience" of the water model was
very pervasive and arguing its falsity comes up against the resistance
of the old guard.

Always are the two descriptions. Physical (dynamic) and geometric (kinetic).

"Geometric algebra in the sense used in this article was not developed,
however, until 1844, when it was used in a systematic way to describe the
geometrical properties and transformations of a space
"Nevertheless, another revolutionary development of the 19th-century would
completely overshadow the geometric algebras: that of vector analysis,
developed independently by Josiah Willard Gibbs and Oliver Heaviside. Vector
analysis was motivated by James Clerk Maxwell's studies of electromagnetism,
" From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_algebra


Tesla's longitudinal radio waves are also described.

For us is enough to know that the transversal are rotational. The geometric
desription of the rotational oscillations is very impressive. It must be in
the school program.

Stokes drift is also impressive. Do you know that the ink printer use it?
S*

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On Oct 20, 3:20*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
For us is enough to know that the transversal are rotational.

How does one detect the imaginary plane?
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

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Uzytkownik "Cecil Moore" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Oct 20, 3:20 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
For us is enough to know that the transversal are rotational.

How does one detect the imaginary plane?

Movements in 2D are described on the imaginary plane, in 3D by vector
calculus, in more D by tensors.
You need not know that to analise the radio waves.
But you should know that no pure transversal waves. Always are the two
components.
Heaviside did not know that.
S*

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On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:20:09 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

Geometric algebra in the sense used in this article was not developed,
however, until 1844

The Old Guard is often found trying to commemorate the past in
relation to their old heroes:
"In Paris, on August 28, 1844, at the Café de la Régence on the Place
du Palais he met Friedrich Engels, who would become his most important
friend and life-long companion. Engels had met Marx only once before
(and briefly) at the office of the Rheinische Zeitung in 1842;[28] he
went to Paris to show Marx his recently published book, The Condition
of the Working Class in England in 1844.[29] This book convinced Marx
that the working class would be the agent and instrument of the final
revolution in history."

The faded political trash that is now used as decoupage for today's
arguments is carnival in spirit but is as nutritionally substantial as
cotton candy.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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On Oct 20, 11:46*am, Cecil Moore wrote:
On Oct 20, 3:20*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

For us is enough to know that the transversal are rotational.

How does one detect the imaginary plane?
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

thats the one he lives in so its easy!

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Uzytkownik "Richard Clark" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:20:09 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

Geometric algebra in the sense used in this article was not developed,
however, until 1844

The Old Guard is often found trying to commemorate the past in
relation to their old heroes:
"In Paris, on August 28, 1844, at the Café de la Régence on the Place
du Palais he met Friedrich Engels, who would become his most important
friend and life-long companion. Engels had met Marx only once before
(and briefly) at the office of the Rheinische Zeitung in 1842;[28] he
went to Paris to show Marx his recently published book, The Condition
of the Working Class in England in 1844.[29] This book convinced Marx
that the working class would be the agent and instrument of the final
revolution in history."

As you know I am collecting the evidences. Could you tell me something about
the cristal radio?
There is the diode. The electrons flow in the one direction. The questions
a

1. Electron must flow from the antenna to the ground,
2. In the opposite direction.
3. Radio works in the both arrangement.

The faded political trash that is now used as decoupage for today's
arguments is carnival in spirit but is as nutritionally substantial as
cotton candy.

It would be easy to collect the information from the own laboratory. But
asking is the substantial.
S*

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On Oct 21, 3:09*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
1. Electron must flow from the antenna to the ground,

Nope, RF electrons don't actually flow. They essentially vibrate in
place. "For a copper wire of radius 1 mm carrying a steady current of
10 amps, the DC drift velocity is only about 0.24 nanometer per
microsecond." At 10 MHz, the electrons would vibrate back and forth at
about 0.01 nanometer per 0.1 microsecond. Consider how large 0.01
nanometer really is so for all practical purposes, electrons don't
flow at all at HF frequencies. Electrons at HF are just a bucket
brigade for the photons that deliver the RF energy to the diode
detector. Unless a circuit is at DC steady-state, photons are
involved, i.e. RF involves photons which constitute the RF fields and
RF waves.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

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"Cecil Moore" wrote
...
On Oct 21, 3:09 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
1. Electron must flow from the antenna to the ground,

Nope, RF electrons don't actually flow. They essentially vibrate in
place.

The same is with the all AC. If between the live line and the ground is the
diode "Electron must flow from the line to the ground".

"For a copper wire of radius 1 mm carrying a steady current of
10 amps, the DC drift velocity is only about 0.24 nanometer per
microsecond." At 10 MHz, the electrons would vibrate back and forth at
about 0.01 nanometer per 0.1 microsecond. Consider how large 0.01
nanometer really is so for all practical purposes, electrons don't
flow at all at HF frequencies. Electrons at HF are just a bucket
brigade for the photons that deliver the RF energy to the diode
detector. Unless a circuit is at DC steady-state, photons are
involved, i.e. RF involves photons which constitute the RF fields and
RF waves.

No matter how big the back and forth are. If is a diode electrons must flow
in one direction.
Do not be lazy and measure it.
S*

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On Oct 21, 11:35*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"Cecil Moore" ...
On Oct 21, 3:09 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

1. Electron must flow from the antenna to the ground,
Nope, RF electrons don't actually flow. They essentially vibrate in

place.

The same is with the all AC. If between the live line and the ground is the
diode "Electron must flow from the line to the ground".

"For a copper wire of radius 1 mm carrying a steady current of

10 amps, the DC drift velocity is only about 0.24 nanometer per
microsecond." At 10 MHz, the electrons would vibrate back and forth at
about 0.01 nanometer per 0.1 microsecond. Consider how large 0.01
nanometer really is so for all practical purposes, electrons don't
flow at all at HF frequencies. Electrons at HF are just a bucket
brigade for the photons that deliver the RF energy to the diode
detector. Unless a circuit is at DC steady-state, photons are
involved, i.e. RF involves photons which constitute the RF fields and
RF waves.

No matter how big the back and forth are. If is a diode electrons must flow
in one direction.
Do not be lazy and measure it.
S*

I can not debate your particular area other than to point what I have
in actuality.
By removing all reactance especially the magnetic field the current
flow removed itself from the material and travels on the surface.
This is not unusual as superconductors drop to zero resistance when
the magnetic field is canceled or removed. There are only two
resistances in radiation and if no skin depth is then generated then
the material and its resistance is removed from Maxwell's equations
Now one can question my understanding as to what is happening but the
fact is my antenna
swr does not go above 3:1 no matter what band I am on! Yes, by not
understanding what is really happening it would be easy to say "dummy
load " but that is not the real answer.
So I would ask all what exactly is impossible
about the sequence of event that I describe while adding that computer
programs confirm it?
By the way the antenna is sitting om the grass
as height does not affect dish antennas!

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On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:09:43 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

As you know I am collecting the evidences.

The Stasi was, like the KGB, disbanded years ago.

And yet the Old Guard persists by restructuring old methods of
collecting individual's information into new files and calling
themselves by new names.

We could be more productive in the discussion of the splicing of
Stalin's DNA into the hip new Oliogarchs.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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On 10/21/2010 12:38 PM, Art Unwin wrote:
On Oct 21, 11:35 am, "Szczepan wrote:
"Cecil ...
On Oct 21, 3:09 am, "Szczepan wrote:

1. Electron must flow from the antenna to the ground,
Nope, RF electrons don't actually flow. They essentially vibrate in

place.

The same is with the all AC. If between the live line and the ground is the
diode "Electron must flow from the line to the ground".

"For a copper wire of radius 1 mm carrying a steady current of

10 amps, the DC drift velocity is only about 0.24 nanometer per
microsecond." At 10 MHz, the electrons would vibrate back and forth at
about 0.01 nanometer per 0.1 microsecond. Consider how large 0.01
nanometer really is so for all practical purposes, electrons don't
flow at all at HF frequencies. Electrons at HF are just a bucket
brigade for the photons that deliver the RF energy to the diode
detector. Unless a circuit is at DC steady-state, photons are
involved, i.e. RF involves photons which constitute the RF fields and
RF waves.

No matter how big the back and forth are. If is a diode electrons must flow
in one direction.
Do not be lazy and measure it.
S*

I can not debate your particular area other than to point what I have
in actuality.
By removing all reactance especially the magnetic field the current
flow removed itself from the material and travels on the surface.
This is not unusual as superconductors drop to zero resistance when
the magnetic field is canceled or removed. There are only two
resistances in radiation and if no skin depth is then generated then
the material and its resistance is removed from Maxwell's equations
Now one can question my understanding as to what is happening but the
fact is my antenna
swr does not go above 3:1 no matter what band I am on! Yes, by not
understanding what is really happening it would be easy to say "dummy
load " but that is not the real answer.
So I would ask all what exactly is impossible
about the sequence of event that I describe while adding that computer
programs confirm it?
By the way the antenna is sitting om the grass
as height does not affect dish antennas!

Pick a band. Pick a time. Let's have a contact.

I know what the answer will be of course, an excuse why you can't have a
Q with me or anyone else.

tom
K0TAR

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"Richard Clark" wrote
...
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:09:43 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

As you know I am collecting the evidences.

The Stasi was, like the KGB, disbanded years ago.

And yet the Old Guard persists by restructuring old methods of
collecting individual's information into new files and calling
themselves by new names.

We could be more productive in the discussion of the splicing of
Stalin's DNA into the hip new Oliogarchs.

Wiki is more usefull than you:
http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/r...ade_radio.html
" Power from radio waves -- hooking up a meter to measure the voltage and
current "

"If you have a good antenna, or a strong radio station nearby, the ammeter
might read more than 50 microamps. If you have a short antenna, you might
get only 5 microamps and still be able to hear the station clearly in the
headphones. I put up a 200 foot antenna between two trees over my house, and
tuned to a 50,000 watt station about 30 miles away, and now I get 175
microamps of current through my meter."
S*

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On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:14:25 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

Power from radio waves

State and party ownership of print, television and radio media served
as an important manner in which to control information and society in
light of Eastern Bloc leaderships viewing even marginal groups of
opposition intellectuals as a potential threat to the bases underlying
Communist power therein.

It quite appears that there remains the Old Guard initiative of
oppressing intellectuals to dissiminate the party line in the form of
corrupt and revisionist technical tracts.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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On Oct 21, 12:38*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

Now one can question my understanding as to what is happening but the
fact is my antenna
swr does not go above 3:1 no matter what band I am on! Yes, by not
understanding what is really happening it would be easy to say "dummy
load " but that is not the real answer.

What would you consider the answer to be?
It's really an inefficient toaster oven?

So I would ask all what exactly is impossible
about the sequence of event that I describe while adding that computer
programs confirm it?

You want the Bush or the Obama explanation?

Lets ask both.. Hey Gee Dub, what do you think?

"Son, your misapplication of the modeling programs
have led you astray. Number one, you can't polish a
turd into a diamond. Believe me, I've already tried it
out at the Crawford ranch. Didn't pan out...
Number two, the modeling programs are not coded to
deal with turd polishing. So any results obtained from
misapplying an antenna modeling program to simulate
the performance of a polished turd is bound to end in
frustration and gross error."

Hey Barry, what's your angle?

"I think we should give him a $500.000.00 grant!"

I guess it was a split decision.. :/


By the way the antenna is sitting om the grass
as height does not affect dish antennas!

Actually, it does make it easier for the dog to drink
the rain water out of it. Good call!

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Uzytkownik "Richard Clark" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:14:25 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

Power from radio waves

State and party ownership of print, television and radio media served
as an important manner in which to control information and society in
light of Eastern Bloc leaderships viewing even marginal groups of
opposition intellectuals as a potential threat to the bases underlying
Communist power therein.

It quite appears that there remains the Old Guard initiative of
oppressing intellectuals to dissiminate the party line in the form of
corrupt and revisionist technical tracts.

I prefer Wiki:
"The voltmeter in the same radio reads 125 millivolts. Since watts (the
measure of how much power we have) is the voltage multiplied by the amperes,
we have 0.000175 times 0.125, or 0.0000218 watts, or about 22 microwatts.
The station is putting out 50 killowatts, and we are receiving one ten
billionth of that power, yet we can hear it across the room."

Could you help? The simplest radio:
" Tape the other diode wire to a cold water faucet. This makes a good
connection to the ground, and is thus called a 'ground' connection.

Hold the remaining free bare wire of the earphone in your hand. This
makes your body into the antenna for the radio. Put the earphone in your
ear. If you are close to a strong AM radio station, you will be able to hear
that station faintly in the earphone. You may hear more than one station at
once. "


The diode has the two ends. Which one should be tapped to a cold water
faucet?
S*

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On Oct 23, 7:20*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "Richard Clark" napisal w wiadomoscinews:t4i3c615njonb5i3fv0i480n0rrovhms20@ 4ax.com...

On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:14:25 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

Power from radio waves

State and party ownership of print, television and radio media served
as an important manner in which to control information and society in
light of Eastern Bloc leaderships viewing even marginal groups of
opposition intellectuals as a potential threat to the bases underlying
Communist power therein.

It quite appears that there remains the Old Guard initiative of
oppressing intellectuals to dissiminate the party line in the form of
corrupt and revisionist technical tracts.

I *prefer Wiki:
"The voltmeter in the same radio reads 125 millivolts. Since watts (the
measure of how much power we have) is the voltage multiplied by the amperes,
we have 0.000175 times 0.125, or 0.0000218 watts, or about 22 microwatts.
The station is putting out 50 killowatts, and we are receiving one ten
billionth of that power, yet we can hear it across the room."

Could you help? *The simplest radio:
" Tape the other diode wire to a cold water faucet. This makes a good
connection to the ground, and is thus called a 'ground' connection.

* * * * Hold the remaining free bare wire of the earphone in your hand. This
makes your body into the antenna for the radio. Put the earphone in your
ear. If you are close to a strong AM radio station, you will be able to hear
that station faintly in the earphone. You may hear more than one station at
once. "

The diode has the two ends. Which one should be tapped to a cold water
faucet?
S*

well, of course, once you put a diode in the circuit you are forcing
flow in only one direction. but try this, turn the diode around so it
only allows electron flow FROM the ground... and you will still hear
the station. so now how do electrons flowing from the remote antenna
through the air get to ground through your diode??

Antenna materials
 

"K1TTT" wrote
...
On Oct 23, 7:20 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

I prefer Wiki:
"The voltmeter in the same radio reads 125 millivolts. Since watts (the
measure of how much power we have) is the voltage multiplied by the
amperes,
we have 0.000175 times 0.125, or 0.0000218 watts, or about 22 microwatts.
The station is putting out 50 killowatts, and we are receiving one ten
billionth of that power, yet we can hear it across the room."

Could you help? The simplest radio:
" Tape the other diode wire to a cold water faucet. This makes a good
connection to the ground, and is thus called a 'ground' connection.

Hold the remaining free bare wire of the earphone in your hand. This
makes your body into the antenna for the radio. Put the earphone in your
ear. If you are close to a strong AM radio station, you will be able to
hear
that station faintly in the earphone. You may hear more than one station
at
once. "

The diode has the two ends. Which one should be tapped to a cold water
faucet?
S*

well, of course, once you put a diode in the circuit you are forcing
flow in only one direction. but try this, turn the diode around so it
only allows electron flow FROM the ground... and you will still hear
the station.

With the same power?

so now how do electrons flowing from the remote antenna
through the air get to ground through your diode??

You forget about chassis. In the opposite setup the wire is the antenna and
your body is the chassis.

Are you rich enough to check the simplest radio?
Is the same power in the both arrangement?

S*

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On Oct 23, 6:59*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...
On Oct 23, 7:20 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:





I prefer Wiki:
"The voltmeter in the same radio reads 125 millivolts. Since watts (the
measure of how much power we have) is the voltage multiplied by the
amperes,
we have 0.000175 times 0.125, or 0.0000218 watts, or about 22 microwatts.
The station is putting out 50 killowatts, and we are receiving one ten
billionth of that power, yet we can hear it across the room."

Could you help? The simplest radio:
" Tape the other diode wire to a cold water faucet. This makes a good
connection to the ground, and is thus called a 'ground' connection.

Hold the remaining free bare wire of the earphone in your hand. This
makes your body into the antenna for the radio. Put the earphone in your
ear. If you are close to a strong AM radio station, you will be able to
hear
that station faintly in the earphone. You may hear more than one station
at
once. "

The diode has the two ends. Which one should be tapped to a cold water
faucet?
S*
well, of course, once you put a diode in the circuit you are forcing

flow in only one direction. *but try this, turn the diode around so it
only allows electron flow FROM the ground... and you will still hear
the station.

With the same power?

so now how do electrons flowing from the remote antenna

through the air get to ground through your diode??

You forget about chassis. In the opposite *setup the wire is the antenna and
your body is the chassis.

Are you rich enough to check the simplest radio?
Is the same power in the both arrangement?

S*

yes, its the same in both directions.

Antenna materials
 

On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 20:59:10 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

Are you rich enough to check the simplest radio?

The fog of ingrained stereotypes lives on long after the Soviet
Information Bureau published "Falsifiers of History." Stalin
personally edited the book, rewriting entire chapters by hand (how
well we experience this here, daily). The book claimed, for instance,
that American bankers and industrialists (are you rich enough?)
provided capital for the growth of German war industries.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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On 10/23/2010 9:55 AM, K1TTT wrote:

I prefer Wiki:
"The voltmeter in the same radio reads 125 millivolts. Since watts (the
measure of how much power we have) is the voltage multiplied by the amperes,
we have 0.000175 times 0.125, or 0.0000218 watts, or about 22 microwatts.
The station is putting out 50 killowatts, and we are receiving one ten
billionth of that power, yet we can hear it across the room."

Could you help? The simplest radio:
" Tape the other diode wire to a cold water faucet. This makes a good
connection to the ground, and is thus called a 'ground' connection.

Hold the remaining free bare wire of the earphone in your hand. This
makes your body into the antenna for the radio. Put the earphone in your
ear. If you are close to a strong AM radio station, you will be able to hear
that station faintly in the earphone. You may hear more than one station at
once. "

The diode has the two ends. Which one should be tapped to a cold water
faucet?
S*

well, of course, once you put a diode in the circuit you are forcing
flow in only one direction. but try this, turn the diode around so it
only allows electron flow FROM the ground... and you will still hear
the station. so now how do electrons flowing from the remote antenna
through the air get to ground through your diode??

:) Nicely put.

But the moron either won't get it or will deny it anyway. Matters little.

But we all know that there are positrons. So maybe he's right after all.

After a few milliseconds contemplation I've decided to go with not right.

tom
K0TAR


tom
K0TAR

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On Oct 24, 2:26*am, tom wrote:
On 10/23/2010 9:55 AM, K1TTT wrote:





I *prefer Wiki:
"The voltmeter in the same radio reads 125 millivolts. Since watts (the
measure of how much power we have) is the voltage multiplied by the amperes,
we have 0.000175 times 0.125, or 0.0000218 watts, or about 22 microwatts.
The station is putting out 50 killowatts, and we are receiving one ten
billionth of that power, yet we can hear it across the room."

Could you help? *The simplest radio:
" Tape the other diode wire to a cold water faucet. This makes a good
connection to the ground, and is thus called a 'ground' connection.

* * * * *Hold the remaining free bare wire of the earphone in your hand. This
makes your body into the antenna for the radio. Put the earphone in your
ear. If you are close to a strong AM radio station, you will be able to hear
that station faintly in the earphone. You may hear more than one station at
once. "

The diode has the two ends. Which one should be tapped to a cold water
faucet?
S*

well, of course, once you put a diode in the circuit you are forcing
flow in only one direction. *but try this, turn the diode around so it
only allows electron flow FROM the ground... and you will still hear
the station. *so now how do electrons flowing from the remote antenna
through the air get to ground through your diode??

:) *Nicely put.

But the moron either won't get it or will deny it anyway. *Matters little.

But we all know that there are positrons. *So maybe he's right after all.

After a few milliseconds contemplation I've decided to go with not right.

tom
K0TAR

tom
K0TAR

of course he's not right, but its fun to see him try to fit his 'new'
square theory into a nice round hole.

Antenna materials
 

"K1TTT" wrote
...
On Oct 23, 6:59 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Are you rich enough to check the simplest radio?
Is the same power in the both arrangement?

yes, its the same in both directions.

"A simplified drawing of a circuit is called a schematic. A schematic for a
simple crystal radio might look like this if drawn on a napkin at a party: "
http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/r...ade_radio.html

On the simplified drawing the electron flow from antena to ground.
Are you sure that the diode may be mounted in the opposite direction?
S*

Antenna materials
 

On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 15:29:50 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:


"K1TTT" wrote
...
On Oct 23, 6:59 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Are you rich enough to check the simplest radio?
Is the same power in the both arrangement?

yes, its the same in both directions.

"A simplified drawing of a circuit is called a schematic. A schematic for a
simple crystal radio might look like this if drawn on a napkin at a party: "
http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/r...ade_radio.html

On the simplified drawing the electron flow from antena to ground.
Are you sure that the diode may be mounted in the opposite direction?
S*


My only question is why does my crystal radio work without a ground
connection? Yes the radio does work better with a ground but that does
not negate the fact it works without a ground. And yes the radio works
with the ground and antenna connections reversed. The diode is a piece
of galena.

Antenna materials
 

On Oct 24, 1:29*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...
On Oct 23, 6:59 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



Are you rich enough to check the simplest radio?
Is the same power in the both arrangement?

yes, its the same in both directions.

"A simplified drawing of a circuit is called a schematic. A schematic for a
simple crystal radio might look like this if drawn on a napkin at a party: "http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/radio/homemade_radio.html

On the simplified drawing the electron flow from antena to ground.
Are you sure that the diode may be mounted in the opposite direction?
S*

yes, the diode may be mounted in either direction and it works exactly
the same.

Antenna materials
 

In article ,
Registered User wrote:

On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 15:29:50 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:


"K1TTT" wrote
...
On Oct 23, 6:59 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Are you rich enough to check the simplest radio?
Is the same power in the both arrangement?

yes, its the same in both directions.

"A simplified drawing of a circuit is called a schematic. A schematic for a
simple crystal radio might look like this if drawn on a napkin at a party: "
http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/r...ade_radio.html

On the simplified drawing the electron flow from antena to ground.
Are you sure that the diode may be mounted in the opposite direction?
S*


My only question is why does my crystal radio work without a ground
connection? Yes the radio does work better with a ground but that does
not negate the fact it works without a ground. And yes the radio works
with the ground and antenna connections reversed. The diode is a piece
of galena.

Apparently, You have never heard of Capacitive Coupling......

Antenna materials
 

On Oct 24, 5:13*pm, you wrote:
In article ,
*Registered User wrote:



On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 15:29:50 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

"K1TTT" wrote
....
On Oct 23, 6:59 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Are you rich enough to check the simplest radio?
Is the same power in the both arrangement?

yes, its the same in both directions.

"A simplified drawing of a circuit is called a schematic. A schematic for a
simple crystal radio might look like this if drawn on a napkin at a party: "
http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/r...ade_radio.html

On the simplified drawing the electron flow from antena to ground.
Are you sure that the diode may be mounted in the opposite direction?
S*

My only question is why does my crystal radio work without a ground
connection? Yes the radio does work better with a ground but that does
not negate the fact it works without a ground. And yes the radio works
with the ground and antenna connections reversed. The diode is a piece
of galena.

Apparently, You have never heard of Capacitive Coupling......

shhhhhhh, we don't want to confuse mr.b any more than necessary.

Antenna materials
 

"Registered User" wrote
...
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 15:29:50 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

On the simplified drawing the electron flow from antena to ground.
Are you sure that the diode may be mounted in the opposite direction?

My only question is why does my crystal radio work without a ground
connection? Yes the radio does work better with a ground but that does
not negate the fact it works without a ground.

Most receivers has a chassis as a ground.

And yes the radio works
with the ground and antenna connections reversed. The diode is a piece
of galena.

Does "it works exactly the same"?
S*

Antenna materials
 

On Oct 24, 6:51*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"Registered User" om...

On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 15:29:50 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

On the simplified drawing the electron flow from antena to ground.
Are you sure that the diode may be mounted in the opposite direction?

My only question is why does my crystal radio work without a ground
connection? Yes the radio does work better with a ground but that does
not negate the fact it works without a ground.

Most receivers has a chassis as a ground.

And yes the radio works
with the ground and antenna connections reversed. The diode is a piece
of galena.

Does "it works exactly the same"?
S*

yes