In article ,
"Szczepan Bialek" wrote:


The first sensible question.

"Radials and Counterpoises have two basic purposes:
1. To improve the RF ground conductivity for the ground current return path.
Unless you live in a salt-water swamp, your ground conductivity makes a very
poor path for the return of ground currents. This increases the ground
losses and reduces the efficiency of an antenna that needs a good RF ground.

E. More radial wires are generally better. As the number gets larger, they
improve the RF Ground less and less, to the point where there is no
difference when adding one more radial to a system that already has 120
installed. Minimum systems of as few as 4 wires can provide an acceptable
ground and increase the antenna's efficiency by a significant amount.
Generally, 6-8 radials is the minimum that should be used." From:
http://www.sgcworld.com/radialstechnote.html

If you believe ANYTHING that was published by SGC, you need to go back
to school and relearn everything you ever thought you knew about RF
Antenna Systems. There is a reason Don Stoner, left the company decades
ago, and PeeAir couldn't design his way out of a Wet Paper Bag.


As you see in the radials are many ends. There is the lower voltage and
almost no radiation (electron loss). Radial work like the receiver antena
(caught electrons from air)

Without the radials your stations can work only in a "salt-water swamp".

S*

"you" wrote
...
In article ,
"Szczepan Bialek" wrote:


"Radials and Counterpoises have two basic purposes:
1. To improve the RF ground conductivity for the ground current return
path.
" From:
http://www.sgcworld.com/radialstechnote.html

If you believe ANYTHING that was published by SGC, you need to go back
to school and relearn everything you ever thought you knew about RF
Antenna Systems. There is a reason Don Stoner, left the company decades
ago, and PeeAir couldn't design his way out of a Wet Paper Bag.

We are discussing on the pulsatile flows of electrons and emission of them
from antenna end at transmitting.
At receiving the pulsative flow is in the oppsite direction.
Do you agree?
S*

On 10/10/2010 11:54 AM, Szczepan Bia³ek wrote:

...
We are discussing on the pulsatile flows of electrons and emission of them
from antenna end at transmitting.
At receiving the pulsative flow is in the oppsite direction.
Do you agree?
S*

Yeah, have heard that described before ... medical marijuana has gotten
a lot more potent, huh?

Regards,
JS

"K1TTT" wrote
...
On Oct 10, 1:13 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

In each end the voltage has tendency to be doubled (standing wave). If
you
have radials and the LED you can measure the voltage. It will be lower in
10
radials than in 6.

oh, so it does double at the end of a radial.. that is different from
what you said earlier.

Existence of the standing waves was shown by Oliver Lodge. They are in each
wire.


as opposed to the electron at the end
of an antenna that does double??

You know what to do to have low VSWR. Low VSWR means that the voltage is
so
high that the intensive emission of electrons take place.

At higher voltage the emission or sparks make low VSWR.

oh, so the swr changes with transmitter power?

I wrote: "You know what to do to have low VSWR". Do you?

that is an observable
prediction that is obviously false... go back to square 1 and start
your theory over again.

Here no new theory. Pulsative flow and the field emission are very old.

Is the pulsative flow of electrons in antennas?
S*

On Oct 10, 3:04*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...
On Oct 10, 1:13 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



In each end the voltage has tendency to be doubled (standing wave). If
you
have radials and the LED you can measure the voltage. It will be lower in
10
radials than in 6.
oh, so it does double at the end of a radial.. that is different from

what you said earlier.

Existence of the standing waves was shown by Oliver Lodge. They are in each
wire.



as opposed to the electron at the end
of an antenna that does double??

You know what to do to have low VSWR. Low VSWR means that the voltage is
so
high that the intensive emission of electrons take place.

At higher voltage the emission or sparks make low VSWR.

oh, so the swr changes with transmitter power?
I wrote: "You know what to do to have low VSWR". Do you?
that is an observable

prediction that is obviously false... go back to square 1 and start
your theory over again.

Here no new theory. Pulsative flow and the field emission are very old.

Is the pulsative flow of electrons in antennas?
S*

no, the flow of electrons stays in the antenna and is sinusoidal...
they do not jump off the antenna.

On 10/10/2010 5:11 PM, K1TTT wrote:

...
no, the flow of electrons stays in the antenna and is sinusoidal...
they do not jump off the antenna.

Do you people realize, I puke every time this putrid piece of chit posts
.... just in case you were wondering ... why would anyone tolerate doodoo?

Regards,
JS

"K1TTT" wrote
...
On Oct 10, 3:04 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Is the pulsative flow of electrons in antennas?

no, the flow of electrons stays in the antenna and is sinusoidal...

In a cristal radio is the diode. The electrons flow from the antenna to
ground. Where they come from?

they do not jump off the antenna.

They must do it in the transmitting antenna.
They are members of "pulsatile- composed of a mean
flow superposed with an oscillating component".

In reality no "sinusoidal...". The forward motion is always stronger than
the back.
S*

On Oct 11, 3:38*am, John Smith wrote:
On 10/10/2010 5:11 PM, K1TTT wrote:

...
no, the flow of electrons stays in the antenna and is sinusoidal...
they do not jump off the antenna.

Do you people realize, I puke every time this putrid piece of chit posts
... just in case you were wondering ... why would anyone tolerate doodoo?

Regards,
JS

great way to loose weight!

On Oct 11, 3:43*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...
On Oct 10, 3:04 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



Is the pulsative flow of electrons in antennas?
no, the flow of electrons stays in the antenna and is sinusoidal...

In a cristal radio is the diode. The electrons flow from the antenna to
ground. Where they come from?

they do not jump off the antenna.

They must do it in the transmitting antenna.
They are members of "pulsatile- composed of a mean
flow superposed with an oscillating component".

In reality no "sinusoidal...". The forward motion is always stronger than
the back.
S*

give me a number. if i transmit 1kw on 14mhz how much dc current must
my transmitter be supplying in addition to the 1kw ac sinusoid that my
meter measures??

On Oct 11, 2:43*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...
On Oct 10, 3:04 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
In a cristal radio is the diode. The electrons flow from the antenna to
ground. Where they come from?

"... for a copper wire of radius 1 mm carrying a steady current of 10
amps, the (electron) drift velocity is only about 0.024 cm/sec". At
100 ns per RF cycle, the above electron moves back and forth about 10
nanometers, i.e. it doesn't "flow" anywhere except at DC.

At RF those electrons never make it from the antenna to ground and
instead essentially vibrate in place. The only thing that flows at the
speed of light is photons/fields/waves. The slow-moving vibrating
electron carriers form a bucket brigade for the fast moving photonic
energy. That fact of physics wasn't fully understood until the field
of quantum physics matured. EM fields and waves turned out to be
particles that are photonic in nature.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com