"John Smith" wrote
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On 10/10/2010 11:54 AM, Szczepan Bia³ek wrote:

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We are discussing on the pulsatile flows of electrons and emission of
them
from antenna end at transmitting.
At receiving the pulsative flow is in the oppsite direction.
Do you agree?
S*

Yeah, have heard that described before ... medical marijuana has gotten a
lot more potent, huh?

What do you take that in your head is only the magnetic whirl and no place
for electrns?
S*

On Oct 11, 1:25*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"John Smith" ...

On 10/10/2010 11:54 AM, Szczepan Bia³ek wrote:

...
We are discussing on the pulsatile flows of electrons and emission of
them
from antenna end at transmitting.
At receiving the pulsative flow is in the oppsite direction.
Do you agree?
S*

Yeah, have heard that described before ... medical marijuana has gotten a
lot more potent, huh?

What do you take that in your head is only the magnetic whirl and no place
for electrns?
S*

no whirls... the mathematical operator is called curl, but it does not
relate to the often pictured whirl or vortex.

"K1TTT" wrote
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no whirls... the mathematical operator is called curl, but it does not
relate to the often pictured whirl or vortex.

The math is for the geometrcal description.

In Maxwell hypothesis are the molecullar vortices. The line of force rotate.
Around the wire are the rings like the Helmholtz smoke rings. The line of
force can rotate continously or oscillate. Nothing flow along the line of
force. Maxwell did this model for the transverse waves. They are in solids
and the math is used for the torsional vibrations.

Next Heaviside did more simple math for the TEM. It is tought as EM. But I
dont understand it.
S*

On Oct 12, 4:11*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
But I dont understand it.
S*

that is the first true thing you have said... once you do come back.

Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
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On Oct 12, 4:11 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
But I dont understand it.
S*

that is the first true thing you have said... once you do come back.

I have problem with the Faraday effect:
http://www.teachspin.com/instruments...ay/index.shtml

"Although Michael Faraday discovered this effect in 1845, it wasn't modeled
quantum mechanically until the 1960's. These theoretical calculations are
too sophisticated for the undergraduate student, but an excellent simplified
QM model is carefully presented in David Van Baak's AJP paper. (D.A. Van
Baak, Resonant Faraday Rotation as a Probe of Atomic Dispersion, Am. J.
Phys.64 (6) June 1996)"

In Maxwell's model inside of the solenoid are rotating wortices and they
rotate the plane of polarization.

In Heaviside's model inside of the solenoid is a flux. Do you know
(understand) how the flux can rotate something?
S*

On Oct 12, 2:38*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w ...
On Oct 12, 4:11 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

But I dont understand it.
S*
that is the first true thing you have said... once you do come back.

I have problem with the Faraday effect:http://www.teachspin.com/instruments...ay/index.shtml

"Although Michael Faraday discovered this effect in 1845, it wasn't modeled
quantum mechanically until the 1960's. These theoretical calculations are
too sophisticated for the undergraduate student, but an excellent simplified
QM model is carefully presented in David Van Baak's AJP paper. (D.A. Van
Baak, Resonant Faraday Rotation as a Probe of Atomic Dispersion, Am. J.
Phys.64 (6) June 1996)"

In Maxwell's model inside of the solenoid are rotating wortices and they
rotate the plane of polarization.

In Heaviside's model inside of the solenoid is a flux. Do you know
(understand) how the flux can rotate something?
S*

you don't understand that the faraday effect relies on a material to
do the rotation. the magnetic field itself does not cause the
rotation it only aligns the molecules such that the polarization of
the light is affected. you could just as well ask how can your hand
rotate something when you turn a polarization filter or piece of
feldspar with your fingers. if the material is not present the light
does not rotate, and there are no vortices.

"K1TTT" wrote
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On Oct 12, 2:38 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w
...
On Oct 12, 4:11 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

But I dont understand it.
S*
that is the first true thing you have said... once you do come back.

I have problem with the Faraday
effect:http://www.teachspin.com/instruments...ay/index.shtml

"Although Michael Faraday discovered this effect in 1845, it wasn't
modeled
quantum mechanically until the 1960's. These theoretical calculations are
too sophisticated for the undergraduate student, but an excellent
simplified
QM model is carefully presented in David Van Baak's AJP paper. (D.A. Van
Baak, Resonant Faraday Rotation as a Probe of Atomic Dispersion, Am. J.
Phys.64 (6) June 1996)"

In Maxwell's model inside of the solenoid are rotating wortices and they
rotate the plane of polarization.

In Heaviside's model inside of the solenoid is a flux. Do you know
(understand) how the flux can rotate something?
S*

you don't understand that the faraday effect relies on a material to
do the rotation. the magnetic field itself does not cause the
rotation it only aligns the molecules such that the polarization of
the light is affected. you could just as well ask how can your hand
rotate something when you turn a polarization filter or piece of
feldspar with your fingers. if the material is not present the light
does not rotate, and there are no vortices.

In Maxwell's model: "In Maxwell's 1861 paper 'On Physical Lines of Force',
magnetic field strength H was directly equated with pure vorticity (spin),
whereas B was a weighted vorticity that was weighted for the density of the
vortex sea. Maxwell considered magnetic permeability ? to be a measure of
the density of the vortex sea. "

What is in Heaviside model?
S*

On 10/11/2010 10:25 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

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What do you take that in your head is only the magnetic whirl and no place
for electrns?
S*

Look, the lamer which has discovered how to mimic me is having a lot of
fun ... it is kinda funny ... I will give him/her that ... marijuana and
"magnetic whirl" is/are not subjects I deal with ... you can disregard
any posts bearing my name, on this thread ...

Regards,
JS

On Oct 11, 6:37*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 10/11/2010 10:25 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

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What do you take that in your head is only the magnetic whirl and no place
for electrns?
S*

Look, the lamer which has discovered how to mimic me is having a lot of
fun ... it is kinda funny ... I will give him/her that ... marijuana and
"magnetic whirl" is/are not subjects I deal with ... you can disregard
any posts bearing my name, on this thread ...

Regards,
JS

thats ok, we disregard anything you say anywhere.

On 10/11/2010 4:46 PM, K1TTT wrote:

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thats ok, we disregard anything you say anywhere.

I like it when there is mutual agreement. Damn man, you aren't worth
the "paper" you write on ... I just love watching you go about it though
.... keep up the good work. wink

You are the best lesson in getting BS to float which I have ever
witnessed. Seen some good ones, but I will admit, you are top of class!

Carry on, stiff upper lip, all that ...

Regards,
JS