"K1TTT" wrote
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no whirls... the mathematical operator is called curl, but it does not
relate to the often pictured whirl or vortex.

The math is for the geometrcal description.

In Maxwell hypothesis are the molecullar vortices. The line of force rotate.
Around the wire are the rings like the Helmholtz smoke rings. The line of
force can rotate continously or oscillate. Nothing flow along the line of
force. Maxwell did this model for the transverse waves. They are in solids
and the math is used for the torsional vibrations.

Next Heaviside did more simple math for the TEM. It is tought as EM. But I
dont understand it.
S*

On Oct 12, 4:11*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
But I dont understand it.
S*

that is the first true thing you have said... once you do come back.

Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Oct 12, 4:11 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
But I dont understand it.
S*

that is the first true thing you have said... once you do come back.

I have problem with the Faraday effect:
http://www.teachspin.com/instruments...ay/index.shtml

"Although Michael Faraday discovered this effect in 1845, it wasn't modeled
quantum mechanically until the 1960's. These theoretical calculations are
too sophisticated for the undergraduate student, but an excellent simplified
QM model is carefully presented in David Van Baak's AJP paper. (D.A. Van
Baak, Resonant Faraday Rotation as a Probe of Atomic Dispersion, Am. J.
Phys.64 (6) June 1996)"

In Maxwell's model inside of the solenoid are rotating wortices and they
rotate the plane of polarization.

In Heaviside's model inside of the solenoid is a flux. Do you know
(understand) how the flux can rotate something?
S*

On Oct 12, 2:38*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w ...
On Oct 12, 4:11 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

But I dont understand it.
S*
that is the first true thing you have said... once you do come back.

I have problem with the Faraday effect:http://www.teachspin.com/instruments...ay/index.shtml

"Although Michael Faraday discovered this effect in 1845, it wasn't modeled
quantum mechanically until the 1960's. These theoretical calculations are
too sophisticated for the undergraduate student, but an excellent simplified
QM model is carefully presented in David Van Baak's AJP paper. (D.A. Van
Baak, Resonant Faraday Rotation as a Probe of Atomic Dispersion, Am. J.
Phys.64 (6) June 1996)"

In Maxwell's model inside of the solenoid are rotating wortices and they
rotate the plane of polarization.

In Heaviside's model inside of the solenoid is a flux. Do you know
(understand) how the flux can rotate something?
S*

you don't understand that the faraday effect relies on a material to
do the rotation. the magnetic field itself does not cause the
rotation it only aligns the molecules such that the polarization of
the light is affected. you could just as well ask how can your hand
rotate something when you turn a polarization filter or piece of
feldspar with your fingers. if the material is not present the light
does not rotate, and there are no vortices.

"K1TTT" wrote
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On Oct 12, 2:38 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w
...
On Oct 12, 4:11 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

But I dont understand it.
S*
that is the first true thing you have said... once you do come back.

I have problem with the Faraday
effect:http://www.teachspin.com/instruments...ay/index.shtml

"Although Michael Faraday discovered this effect in 1845, it wasn't
modeled
quantum mechanically until the 1960's. These theoretical calculations are
too sophisticated for the undergraduate student, but an excellent
simplified
QM model is carefully presented in David Van Baak's AJP paper. (D.A. Van
Baak, Resonant Faraday Rotation as a Probe of Atomic Dispersion, Am. J.
Phys.64 (6) June 1996)"

In Maxwell's model inside of the solenoid are rotating wortices and they
rotate the plane of polarization.

In Heaviside's model inside of the solenoid is a flux. Do you know
(understand) how the flux can rotate something?
S*

you don't understand that the faraday effect relies on a material to
do the rotation. the magnetic field itself does not cause the
rotation it only aligns the molecules such that the polarization of
the light is affected. you could just as well ask how can your hand
rotate something when you turn a polarization filter or piece of
feldspar with your fingers. if the material is not present the light
does not rotate, and there are no vortices.

In Maxwell's model: "In Maxwell's 1861 paper 'On Physical Lines of Force',
magnetic field strength H was directly equated with pure vorticity (spin),
whereas B was a weighted vorticity that was weighted for the density of the
vortex sea. Maxwell considered magnetic permeability ? to be a measure of
the density of the vortex sea. "

What is in Heaviside model?
S*

On Oct 13, 3:37*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...
On Oct 12, 2:38 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:





Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w
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On Oct 12, 4:11 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

But I dont understand it.
S*
that is the first true thing you have said... once you do come back.

I have problem with the Faraday
effect:http://www.teachspin.com/instruments...ay/index.shtml

"Although Michael Faraday discovered this effect in 1845, it wasn't
modeled
quantum mechanically until the 1960's. These theoretical calculations are
too sophisticated for the undergraduate student, but an excellent
simplified
QM model is carefully presented in David Van Baak's AJP paper. (D.A. Van
Baak, Resonant Faraday Rotation as a Probe of Atomic Dispersion, Am. J.
Phys.64 (6) June 1996)"

In Maxwell's model inside of the solenoid are rotating wortices and they
rotate the plane of polarization.

In Heaviside's model inside of the solenoid is a flux. Do you know
(understand) how the flux can rotate something?
S*
you don't understand that the faraday effect relies on a material to

do the rotation. *the magnetic field itself does not cause the
rotation it only aligns the molecules such that the polarization of
the light is affected. *you could just as well ask how can your hand
rotate something when you turn a polarization filter or piece of
feldspar with your fingers. *if the material is not present the light
does not rotate, and there are no vortices.

In Maxwell's model: "In Maxwell's 1861 paper 'On Physical Lines of Force',
magnetic field strength H was directly equated with pure vorticity (spin),
whereas B was a weighted vorticity that was weighted for the density of the
vortex sea. Maxwell considered magnetic permeability ? to be a measure of
the density of the vortex sea. "

What is in Heaviside model?
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whatever was written in 1861 was either proved wrong or at least
incomplete. you are 140 years out of date, first year college physics
and electrical engineering fields courses teach stuff that would have
totally amazed maxwell and friends in their simplicity and accuracy.

Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
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On Oct 13, 3:37 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

In Maxwell's model: "In Maxwell's 1861 paper 'On Physical Lines of
Force',
magnetic field strength H was directly equated with pure vorticity (spin),
whereas B was a weighted vorticity that was weighted for the density of
the
vortex sea. Maxwell considered magnetic permeability ? to be a measure of
the density of the vortex sea. "

What is in Heaviside model?
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- Show quoted text -

whatever was written in 1861 was either proved wrong or at least
incomplete. you are 140 years out of date, first year college physics
and electrical engineering fields courses teach stuff that would have
totally amazed maxwell and friends in their simplicity and accuracy.

Thinks are rather a little diferent:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Heaviside

Heaviside wrote:
" It will be understood that I preach the gospel according to my
interpretation of Maxwell.[4]"

" In 1884 he recast Maxwell's mathematical analysis from its original
cumbersome form (they had already been recast as quaternions) to its modern
vector terminology, thereby reducing the original twenty equations in twenty
unknowns down to the four differential equations in two unknowns we now know
as Maxwell's equations. The four re-formulated Maxwell's equations describe
the nature of static and moving electric charges and magnetic dipoles, and
the relationship between the two, namely electromagnetic induction."

But it does not meant that the college physics is 120 years old. In the
teaching programs are all theories.
Electrons and plasma born later and are also in teaching program.
S*