On Oct 17, 4:36*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
"The measured tsunami flow velocities were within the range of 2 to 5 m/s.. "
From: *http://www.agu.org/journals/ABS/2006/2006GL026784.shtml

Good Grief! The deeper the ocean, the faster the Tsunami wave travels.
The Tsunami wave slows to a crawl when it reaches land and indeed is
forced by the slope of the land to travel horizontally. Unfortunately
for your argument, I was talking about the speed of a Tsunami wave in
the open ocean which can be as fast as a 757 jet airplane. From:

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/tsunami/

"The Speed of a Tsunami: A tsunami can travel at well over 970 kph
(600 mph) in the open ocean - as fast as a jet flies. It can take only
a few hours for a tsunami to travel across an entire ocean. A regular
wave (generated by the wind) travels at up to about 90 km/hr."

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0930274.html

"For example, at the deepest ocean depths the tsunami wave speed will
be as much as 800 km/h, about the same as that of a jet aircraft.
Since the average depth of the Pacific ocean is 4000 m (14,000 feet) ,
tsunami wave speed will average about 200 m/s or over 700 km/h (500
mph)."

Exactly how much horizontal movement can there be in the water
molecules when the Tsunami wave is moving at 800 km/h (200 m/sec)?
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

"Cecil Moore"
...
On Oct 17, 4:36 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
"The measured tsunami flow velocities were within the range of 2 to 5
m/s. "
From: http://www.agu.org/journals/ABS/2006/2006GL026784.shtml

Good Grief! The deeper the ocean, the faster the Tsunami wave travels.
The Tsunami wave slows to a crawl when it reaches land and indeed is
forced by the slope of the land to travel horizontally. Unfortunately
for your argument, I was talking about the speed of a Tsunami wave in
the open ocean which can be as fast as a 757 jet airplane. From:

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/tsunami/

"The Speed of a Tsunami: A tsunami can travel at well over 970 kph
(600 mph) in the open ocean - as fast as a jet flies. It can take only
a few hours for a tsunami to travel across an entire ocean. A regular
wave (generated by the wind) travels at up to about 90 km/hr."

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0930274.html

"For example, at the deepest ocean depths the tsunami wave speed will
be as much as 800 km/h, about the same as that of a jet aircraft.
Since the average depth of the Pacific ocean is 4000 m (14,000 feet) ,
tsunami wave speed will average about 200 m/s or over 700 km/h (500
mph)."

Exactly how much horizontal movement can there be in the water
molecules when the Tsunami wave is moving at 800 km/h (200 m/sec)?

You are an expert. Electric waves travel with"c".
"Exactly how much horizontal movement can there be in the free electrons
when the electric wave is moving at 300000 km/h?
S*

On Oct 17, 4:06*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
"Cecil Moore"
...
On Oct 17, 4:36 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

"The measured tsunami flow velocities were within the range of 2 to 5
m/s. "
From:http://www.agu.org/journals/ABS/2006/2006GL026784.shtml

Good Grief! The deeper the ocean, the faster the Tsunami wave travels.
The Tsunami wave slows to a crawl when it reaches land and indeed is
forced by the slope of the land to travel horizontally. Unfortunately
for your argument, I was talking about the speed of a Tsunami wave in
the open ocean which can be as fast as a 757 jet airplane. From:

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/tsunami/

"The Speed of a Tsunami: A tsunami can travel at well over 970 kph

(600 mph) in the open ocean - as fast as a jet flies. It can take only
a few hours for a tsunami to travel across an entire ocean. A regular
wave (generated by the wind) travels at up to about 90 km/hr."

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0930274.html

"For example, at the deepest ocean depths the tsunami wave speed will

be as much as 800 km/h, about the same as that of a jet aircraft.
Since the average depth of the Pacific ocean is 4000 m (14,000 feet) ,
tsunami wave speed will average about 200 m/s or over 700 km/h (500
mph)."

Exactly how much horizontal movement can there be in the water

molecules when the Tsunami wave is moving at 800 km/h (200 m/sec)?

You are an expert. Electric waves travel with"c".
"Exactly how much horizontal movement can there be in the free electrons
when the electric wave is moving at 300000 km/h?
S*

very little.

On Oct 17, 11:06*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
"Exactly how much horizontal movement can there be in the free electrons
when the electric wave is moving at 300000 km/h?

Already answered earlier in this thread. For HF frequencies, the
horizontal movement of the electrons is minuscule and they can be
considered to be oscillating in place. It is the photons that move at
the speed of light.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Uzytkownik "Cecil Moore" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Oct 17, 11:06 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
"Exactly how much horizontal movement can there be in the free electrons
when the electric wave is moving at 300000 km/h?

Already answered earlier in this thread. For HF frequencies, the
horizontal movement of the electrons is minuscule and they can be
considered to be oscillating in place.

Waves are described in the two method: " More generally, the Stokes drift
velocity is the difference between the
average Lagrangian flow velocity of a fluid parcel, and the average
Eulerian flow velocity of the fluid at a fixed position. This nonlinear
phenomenon is named after George Gabriel Stokes, who derived expressions
for this drift in his 1847 study of water waves."

It is the photons that move at the speed of light.

Photons are the math joke.
Electric waves in a medium made of electrons move at the speed of light.
S*

On Oct 18, 2:44*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Photons are the math joke.

:-) ... he says as photons impacting his retina allow him to read the
postings and see his keyboard.
--
Cecil, w5dxp.com

"Cecil Moore" wrote
...
On Oct 18, 2:44 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Photons are the math joke.

:-) ... he says as photons impacting his retina allow him to read the
postings and see his keyboard.

Light is not coherent. It is "produced" in the packets (photons). But the
radio waves and the radiation from the "free electron laser" are coherent.
When the photons start and when finish?
S*

On 10/18/2010 11:46 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
"Cecil wrote
...
On Oct 18, 2:44 am, "Szczepan wrote:
Photons are the math joke.

:-) ... he says as photons impacting his retina allow him to read the
postings and see his keyboard.

Light is not coherent. It is "produced" in the packets (photons). But the
radio waves and the radiation from the "free electron laser" are coherent.
When the photons start and when finish?
S*



Where did Cecil mention "coherence"?

tom
K0TAR

On Oct 18, 7:44*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "Cecil Moore" napisal w ...
On Oct 17, 11:06 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

"Exactly how much horizontal movement can there be in the free electrons
when the electric wave is moving at 300000 km/h?
Already answered earlier in this thread. For HF frequencies, the

horizontal movement of the electrons is minuscule and they can be
considered to be oscillating in place.

Waves are described in the two method: " More generally, the Stokes drift
velocity is the difference between the
*average Lagrangian flow velocity of a fluid parcel, and the average
Eulerian *flow velocity of the fluid at a fixed position. This nonlinear
phenomenon *is *named after George Gabriel Stokes, who derived expressions
for this drift *in *his 1847 study of water waves."

It is the photons that move at the speed of light.

Photons are the math joke.
Electric waves in a medium made of electrons move at the speed of light.
S*

the waves are photons, or the photons are waves, either way they move
at the speed of light, the electrons do not move at the speed of light.

On 10/18/2010 2:44 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Uzytkownik "Cecil napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Oct 17, 11:06 am, "Szczepan wrote:
"Exactly how much horizontal movement can there be in the free electrons
when the electric wave is moving at 300000 km/h?

Already answered earlier in this thread. For HF frequencies, the
horizontal movement of the electrons is minuscule and they can be
considered to be oscillating in place.

Waves are described in the two method: " More generally, the Stokes drift
velocity is the difference between the
average Lagrangian flow velocity of a fluid parcel, and the average
Eulerian flow velocity of the fluid at a fixed position. This nonlinear
phenomenon is named after George Gabriel Stokes, who derived expressions
for this drift in his 1847 study of water waves."

It is the photons that move at the speed of light.

Photons are the math joke.
Electric waves in a medium made of electrons move at the speed of light.
S*



One thing I'm wondering. In your world, how does the energy jump from
electron to electron? And try to make some sort of sense for once. Please.

tom
K0TAR