"Richard Clark" wrote
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:43:42 -0500, tom wrote:

On 10/18/2010 2:37 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

The vector calculus describe only movements.

Really? I did not know that.

Crap. And argh.

I thought it was more useful than that.

Who knew?

Stalin had the science writers purge their texts of those qualities
that you miss and that we enjoy here in the west (they were condemned
as bourgeois inspired perversions with counter-revolution tendencies).
Hence you find decrepit pensioners sneering at elitist propaganda
(western science) that dismisses the party-approved water models of RF
transmission. In the historical perspective, we have to remember this
state inspired instruction was learned in an era of RF transmission
jammers located in every neighborhood so that trying to hear the VOA
or the BBC made things sound like you were listening through the
breakers of the surf. Hence the "experience" of the water model was
very pervasive and arguing its falsity comes up against the resistance
of the old guard.

Always are the two descriptions. Physical (dynamic) and geometric (kinetic).

"Geometric algebra in the sense used in this article was not developed,
however, until 1844, when it was used in a systematic way to describe the
geometrical properties and transformations of a space
"Nevertheless, another revolutionary development of the 19th-century would
completely overshadow the geometric algebras: that of vector analysis,
developed independently by Josiah Willard Gibbs and Oliver Heaviside. Vector
analysis was motivated by James Clerk Maxwell's studies of electromagnetism,
" From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_algebra


Tesla's longitudinal radio waves are also described.

For us is enough to know that the transversal are rotational. The geometric
desription of the rotational oscillations is very impressive. It must be in
the school program.

Stokes drift is also impressive. Do you know that the ink printer use it?
S*

On Oct 20, 3:20*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
For us is enough to know that the transversal are rotational.

How does one detect the imaginary plane?
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Uzytkownik "Cecil Moore" napisal w wiadomosci
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On Oct 20, 3:20 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
For us is enough to know that the transversal are rotational.

How does one detect the imaginary plane?

Movements in 2D are described on the imaginary plane, in 3D by vector
calculus, in more D by tensors.
You need not know that to analise the radio waves.
But you should know that no pure transversal waves. Always are the two
components.
Heaviside did not know that.
S*

On Oct 20, 11:46*am, Cecil Moore wrote:
On Oct 20, 3:20*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

For us is enough to know that the transversal are rotational.

How does one detect the imaginary plane?
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

thats the one he lives in so its easy!

On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:20:09 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

Geometric algebra in the sense used in this article was not developed,
however, until 1844

The Old Guard is often found trying to commemorate the past in
relation to their old heroes:
"In Paris, on August 28, 1844, at the Café de la Régence on the Place
du Palais he met Friedrich Engels, who would become his most important
friend and life-long companion. Engels had met Marx only once before
(and briefly) at the office of the Rheinische Zeitung in 1842;[28] he
went to Paris to show Marx his recently published book, The Condition
of the Working Class in England in 1844.[29] This book convinced Marx
that the working class would be the agent and instrument of the final
revolution in history."

The faded political trash that is now used as decoupage for today's
arguments is carnival in spirit but is as nutritionally substantial as
cotton candy.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Uzytkownik "Richard Clark" napisal w wiadomosci
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:20:09 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

Geometric algebra in the sense used in this article was not developed,
however, until 1844

The Old Guard is often found trying to commemorate the past in
relation to their old heroes:
"In Paris, on August 28, 1844, at the Café de la Régence on the Place
du Palais he met Friedrich Engels, who would become his most important
friend and life-long companion. Engels had met Marx only once before
(and briefly) at the office of the Rheinische Zeitung in 1842;[28] he
went to Paris to show Marx his recently published book, The Condition
of the Working Class in England in 1844.[29] This book convinced Marx
that the working class would be the agent and instrument of the final
revolution in history."

As you know I am collecting the evidences. Could you tell me something about
the cristal radio?
There is the diode. The electrons flow in the one direction. The questions
a

1. Electron must flow from the antenna to the ground,
2. In the opposite direction.
3. Radio works in the both arrangement.

The faded political trash that is now used as decoupage for today's
arguments is carnival in spirit but is as nutritionally substantial as
cotton candy.

It would be easy to collect the information from the own laboratory. But
asking is the substantial.
S*

On Oct 21, 3:09*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
1. Electron must flow from the antenna to the ground,

Nope, RF electrons don't actually flow. They essentially vibrate in
place. "For a copper wire of radius 1 mm carrying a steady current of
10 amps, the DC drift velocity is only about 0.24 nanometer per
microsecond." At 10 MHz, the electrons would vibrate back and forth at
about 0.01 nanometer per 0.1 microsecond. Consider how large 0.01
nanometer really is so for all practical purposes, electrons don't
flow at all at HF frequencies. Electrons at HF are just a bucket
brigade for the photons that deliver the RF energy to the diode
detector. Unless a circuit is at DC steady-state, photons are
involved, i.e. RF involves photons which constitute the RF fields and
RF waves.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

"Cecil Moore" wrote
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On Oct 21, 3:09 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
1. Electron must flow from the antenna to the ground,

Nope, RF electrons don't actually flow. They essentially vibrate in
place.

The same is with the all AC. If between the live line and the ground is the
diode "Electron must flow from the line to the ground".

"For a copper wire of radius 1 mm carrying a steady current of
10 amps, the DC drift velocity is only about 0.24 nanometer per
microsecond." At 10 MHz, the electrons would vibrate back and forth at
about 0.01 nanometer per 0.1 microsecond. Consider how large 0.01
nanometer really is so for all practical purposes, electrons don't
flow at all at HF frequencies. Electrons at HF are just a bucket
brigade for the photons that deliver the RF energy to the diode
detector. Unless a circuit is at DC steady-state, photons are
involved, i.e. RF involves photons which constitute the RF fields and
RF waves.

No matter how big the back and forth are. If is a diode electrons must flow
in one direction.
Do not be lazy and measure it.
S*

On Oct 21, 11:35*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"Cecil Moore" ...
On Oct 21, 3:09 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

1. Electron must flow from the antenna to the ground,
Nope, RF electrons don't actually flow. They essentially vibrate in

place.

The same is with the all AC. If between the live line and the ground is the
diode "Electron must flow from the line to the ground".

"For a copper wire of radius 1 mm carrying a steady current of

10 amps, the DC drift velocity is only about 0.24 nanometer per
microsecond." At 10 MHz, the electrons would vibrate back and forth at
about 0.01 nanometer per 0.1 microsecond. Consider how large 0.01
nanometer really is so for all practical purposes, electrons don't
flow at all at HF frequencies. Electrons at HF are just a bucket
brigade for the photons that deliver the RF energy to the diode
detector. Unless a circuit is at DC steady-state, photons are
involved, i.e. RF involves photons which constitute the RF fields and
RF waves.

No matter how big the back and forth are. If is a diode electrons must flow
in one direction.
Do not be lazy and measure it.
S*

I can not debate your particular area other than to point what I have
in actuality.
By removing all reactance especially the magnetic field the current
flow removed itself from the material and travels on the surface.
This is not unusual as superconductors drop to zero resistance when
the magnetic field is canceled or removed. There are only two
resistances in radiation and if no skin depth is then generated then
the material and its resistance is removed from Maxwell's equations
Now one can question my understanding as to what is happening but the
fact is my antenna
swr does not go above 3:1 no matter what band I am on! Yes, by not
understanding what is really happening it would be easy to say "dummy
load " but that is not the real answer.
So I would ask all what exactly is impossible
about the sequence of event that I describe while adding that computer
programs confirm it?
By the way the antenna is sitting om the grass
as height does not affect dish antennas!

On 10/21/2010 12:38 PM, Art Unwin wrote:
On Oct 21, 11:35 am, "Szczepan wrote:
"Cecil ...
On Oct 21, 3:09 am, "Szczepan wrote:

1. Electron must flow from the antenna to the ground,
Nope, RF electrons don't actually flow. They essentially vibrate in

place.

The same is with the all AC. If between the live line and the ground is the
diode "Electron must flow from the line to the ground".

"For a copper wire of radius 1 mm carrying a steady current of

10 amps, the DC drift velocity is only about 0.24 nanometer per
microsecond." At 10 MHz, the electrons would vibrate back and forth at
about 0.01 nanometer per 0.1 microsecond. Consider how large 0.01
nanometer really is so for all practical purposes, electrons don't
flow at all at HF frequencies. Electrons at HF are just a bucket
brigade for the photons that deliver the RF energy to the diode
detector. Unless a circuit is at DC steady-state, photons are
involved, i.e. RF involves photons which constitute the RF fields and
RF waves.

No matter how big the back and forth are. If is a diode electrons must flow
in one direction.
Do not be lazy and measure it.
S*

I can not debate your particular area other than to point what I have
in actuality.
By removing all reactance especially the magnetic field the current
flow removed itself from the material and travels on the surface.
This is not unusual as superconductors drop to zero resistance when
the magnetic field is canceled or removed. There are only two
resistances in radiation and if no skin depth is then generated then
the material and its resistance is removed from Maxwell's equations
Now one can question my understanding as to what is happening but the
fact is my antenna
swr does not go above 3:1 no matter what band I am on! Yes, by not
understanding what is really happening it would be easy to say "dummy
load " but that is not the real answer.
So I would ask all what exactly is impossible
about the sequence of event that I describe while adding that computer
programs confirm it?
By the way the antenna is sitting om the grass
as height does not affect dish antennas!

Pick a band. Pick a time. Let's have a contact.

I know what the answer will be of course, an excuse why you can't have a
Q with me or anyone else.

tom
K0TAR